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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 8:18 pm    Post subject: Routers, adapters and Qos Reply with quote Back to top

Hi all you Vonage wizards! New to the Voip mostly used skype for a while but like to get something like Vonage.

Now few questions to help me out here. I have done lots of reading but some of the postings are old so going to ask again and see if some things have changed.

1. Best router for Vonage currently on the market. I know from reading lost of people say try to find one of the old linksys routers version 4 or before for a certain model. But I'm talking 2006 / October what is best out there. I'm having a hard time there is Dlink then linksys that is really Cisco.

2. Some people say get a good consumer router then put the phone adapter behind the router. Why would I want to do this? How can the adapter control Voip priority? Wouldn’t it be better to just get an all in one router?

3. I have a Rogers Ultra 10meg connection. Currently have some older SMC router but would upgrade if it was worth it. I share the connection with my family and the kids are gamers and downloader’s. My key thing in convincing my wife to go with Vonage is price and quality so I really could use some help in picking the best Qos I think it's called.

Lots here but I'm sure other would love to know these answers too.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Help about routers, adapters and Qos! please! Reply with quote Back to top

MrZimm wrote:
Hi all you Vonage wizards! New to the Voip mostly used skype for a while but like to get something like Vonage.

Now few questions to help me out here. I have done lots of reading but some of the postings are old so going to ask again and see if some things have changed.

1. Best router for Vonage currently on the market. I know from reading lost of people say try to find one of the old linksys routers version 4 or before for a certain model. But I'm talking 2006 / October what is best out there. I'm having a hard time there is Dlink then linksys that is really Cisco.

2. Some people say get a good consumer router then put the phone adapter behind the router. Why would I want to do this? How can the adapter control Voip priority? Wouldn’t it be better to just get an all in one router?

3. I have a Rogers Ultra 10meg connection. Currently have some older SMC router but would upgrade if it was worth it. I share the connection with my family and the kids are gamers and downloader’s. My key thing in convincing my wife to go with Vonage is price and quality so I really could use some help in picking the best Qos I think it's called.


You might want to check out the writings of Nate Hoy with regard to some of these things. Look at http://vonage.nmhoy.net/ .

With respect to item 2, the reason for getting a good router and putting the Vonage adapter behind it is that the Vonage router/adapters aren't very robust routers. If your internet usage is pretty low key, then you probably don't need to do this. If, on the other hand, your internet usage includes a lot of downloading and gaming, as it appears to, this is probably the way to go. You'll depend on the router to take care of QoS, since the adapter won't be in a position to do it.

With respect to 3, I'd advise you to check things out with your old router. Presumably it's already handling the gaming and downloading, so it can't be too shabby. Put a Vonage unit behind it, set QoS to favor the Vonage box, and see how things work. You can always invest in a new router later if you need to.

Before you go with Vonage, I suggest that you run the forum Voip test and a test at www.testyourvoip to spot potential issues before you jump into it. If you have a phone number that you're attached to, go with a Vonage assigned number at first and see how things go. When you're convinced, then transfer the number.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hey great links thanks,

what do you think of the WRT54GL router?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 18, 2006 10:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm not a networking expert and I've never used that router, but several people in here have recommended it. They suggest using third party firmware. A search on the forum should get you the links.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

MrZimm wrote:
Hey great links thanks,

what do you think of the WRT54GL router?

Z


I have one and I like it. I don't use it as my front-end router, but if you load third party firmware, such as DD-WRT, you'll get good QoS capabilities.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Where would one get this firm ware DD-WRT? Second does it void the routers warranty? besides giving me better Qos, does it change or weaken the firewall? I'm always worried about third party stuff cause it wasn't tested by the company and might have holes in it.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DD-WRT is available at www.dd-wrt.com

There are also other alternatives, like HyperWRT (the one mentioned in my articles), and many others. Any of them will work, as will the stock firmware if you set it up correctly.

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Second does it void the routers warranty? besides giving me better Qos, does it change or weaken the firewall? I'm always worried about third party stuff cause it wasn't tested by the company and might have holes in it.


Well, yeah, it "officially" void the warranty. On the other hand, you can always flash back on the manufacturer's firmware if you need to and there won't be any trace the aftermarket stuff was there. Also, there are lots of reports of people returning routers for valid warranty defects and not having the slightest trouble getting a return auth (if the hardware fries, Linksys has no idea what firmware was on the smoking remains, for example). So if you have a bona fide hardware issue, it should have no effect on the warranty.

As far as "might have holes", if you could only see the holes that each of the aftermarket teams FIXED in the original Linksys code. Oh, wait... you can! The aftermarket stuff is all open source (it has to be, since the original Linksys code is released under the GPL, so anyone who wants to use it has to also release their source code). It's been pretty extensively tested and reviewed by people who have an idea of what they are looking for.

But, the fact is, the WRT54GL's built in firmware will probably do the trick for you. Just be sure to configure your upstream data rate properly as per my articles, and you should be fine.

The aftermarket is comprised of two big players (and many others):

HyperWRT is a project designed to stay as close to the native firmware as possible, while adding lots of features. As a new Linksys release comes out, HyperWRT is reapplied to the native code by the developers, meaning that the code is very close to stock Linksys stuff.

DD-WRT is a project designed to add as many features as possible. It is a near-complete rewrite of the native code, and left the Linksys barn years ago. It's heavily feature rich, and very cool stuff.

Personally, HyperWRT has everything I need, and looks and feels a lot like native stuff, so I chose it for a while. Recently, I have been playing with a new project from one of the original HyperWRT authors called "Tomato". Strange name, really good firmware.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

MrZimm wrote:
Where would one get this firm ware DD-WRT? Second does it void the routers warranty? besides giving me better Qos, does it change or weaken the firewall? I'm always worried about third party stuff cause it wasn't tested by the company and might have holes in it.

Z


You can get it from dd-wrt.com. Follow the directions for installation very carefully. The firewalling capabilities aren't weakend, don't worry. Many thousands of people all over the world run this code.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2006 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If you are serious about making sure your wife is satisfied, I have a recomendation. I would strongly recommend getting a Hawking Wireless broadband booster. The booster is a little box that you place between your network and your router. It does provides QOS for the home user. It works by prioritizing your network traffic. For example, it knows to give higher priority to your wife's phone call, versuses the kids downloading that latest game. Check out the hawking tech HBB1 broad band booster. It's well worth the money.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 23, 2007 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hey thanks for http://vonage.nmhoy.net NateHoy!!

I have spent hours on the phone with Vonage tech support and not one of them could tell me how to do any of this.

THANKS!!!!!!
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