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PostPosted: Mon Aug 07, 2006 11:16 pm    Post subject: Linksys PAP2 phone adapter and phone jacks Reply with quote Back to top

I just recently bought the Linksys PAP2 phone adapter. I want to connect it so that I can make the other jacks in my house work with Vonage. I've read the other threads, and understand what has to be done. However, the resident before me had Comcast digital phone service, and through our phone provider we have never had a dial tone since it was supposed to be working (about 2 weeks). We have called and cancelled service to avoid charges for them coming to fix the problem.

Now I have a picture of what our NIU looks like inside, and am wondering if i just need to unplug the two black plugs, or if comcast disconnected the house from the phone company and the phone company didnt notice when they were setting up our house for service.




I can see red and green wires coming from the telephone company side of the box leading into the two connectors with the plugs. Im just not sure if anything is connected to the screws underneath (cannot figure out how to look underneath) where the wires lead too, or if they would be connected on top.

If anyone knows what I need to do so that I do not ruin the PAP2 and can use the other phone jacks in the house please let me know.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I believe those are "test" jacks for when they have the landline connected to the large RED / GREEN terminals.

Assuming you have ONE phone line in the entire house and the landline is not connected to the bulk of wires that run thru the house, take the output from the PAP2 and run it INTO the wall. The house is esentially one big daisy-chain from room to room over 2-3 lines from the box itself.

I use a small splitter off the back of the PAP2 to use for my office and then use the other half of the splitter as the input for the entire house.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:12 am    Post subject: mmmm Reply with quote Back to top

whoa.. how to proceed w/ thatt?
ahmagad..

is the PAP2 going inside that box too? or u need extra long... cables?

what to cut? are u done? please update us, thanks! Lol

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 12:55 pm    Post subject: Re: mmmm Reply with quote Back to top

munyeca wrote:
whoa.. how to proceed w/ thatt?
ahmagad..

is the PAP2 going inside that box too? or u need extra long... cables?

what to cut? are u done? please update us, thanks! Lol



If you have a single phone line via Vonage:

Open the GREY box and make sure there is no active signal from the phone company. You'll be able to see the wiring for the house itself. What I have done is unhook the local wires from the phone box itself to isolate the phone company signal all together, leaving the wiring for the house connected GREEN -> GREEN / RED --> RED for all the wires at the box.

All you need to do is use the output from the PAP2 as INPUT into a normal wall jack. The rest of them are wired together and they all meet eventually at the GREY box on the outside of the house. Think of it as a big ciruit that goes throughout the house, the important part is taking away the phone company's lead from the loop which starts at the grey box. Once you eliminate this from the ciruit the only signal left is Vonage. Very easy to put back if you move or rent!

Unless something VERY strange has been done to the wiring in the house this should work for "replacing" the main feed from the phone company with your own i.e Vonage on the internal ciruit of your home.

The other option if you're using a normal phone AND Vonage OR have two Vonage lines is:

The GREEN / RED leads are the primary line and the YELLOW / BLACK are spares or for a second line. If you still have a normal phone line you could use the YELLOW / BLACK as the Vonage line and change which ever wall plates you want setup for Vonage to use the YELLOW / BLACK instead of the GREEN / RED wiring on the back side of the jack. You have to put the YELLOW / BLACK wires to the GREEN / RED posts on the back of the jack itself for the input jack with the Vonage line and also those you want setup for Vonage signal. The rest of them will still be using the GREEN / RED for the phone company. Same logic applies to 2 different Vonage lines in the same house.

Keep in mind that the YELLOW / BLACK may not even be connected together starting in the GREY box if they have never been used and you would need to connect the YELLOW -> YELLOW / BLACK -> BLACK leads together to make essentially a second phone ciruit in the house. If you wanted a connection for each line at one wall plate, put in a double jack wall plate and wire GREEN / RED to one and YELLOW / BLACK to the other jack using the GREEN / RED posts on the back of the jack itself.

Tracing the lines can be pretty simple with a $40 tone generator from Home Depot / Lowes. You don't have to have the expensive one! I've used a 9v battery and a Multimeter before when I was in a jam since NORMAL ACTIVE phone lines from the Telco will have a 50v signal. You can trace the lines from room to room or to make sure the signal reaches a particular jack etc. It's a big ciruit so unhooking one might disconnect 2-3 jacks in the house since they're all fed from a few main lines i.e one per floor or something similiar.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hmm. Thanks for the responses. I am just confused on how to tell if I am still connected to the Tel. CO. Unfortunately I cannot go buy any tester. I was just going to unplug the two black phone plug looking things above all the wires, and assume I was no longer connected to the Tel. CO. Then I was going to plug in my PAP2 to my router and connect to a phone jack in the house.

From what I can tell there are no wires leading to the screws. I was kinda coming here,becasue that the previous tenant had comcast phone service, and wanted confirmation that comcast had already removed the house from the Tel. CO. I live in the Pittsburgh Area if anyone may have seen a similar box and setup.
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KevinKII wrote:
Hmm. Thanks for the responses. I am just confused on how to tell if I am still connected to the Tel. CO. Unfortunately I cannot go buy any tester. I was just going to unplug the two black phone plug looking things above all the wires, and assume I was no longer connected to the Tel. CO. Then I was going to plug in my PAP2 to my router and connect to a phone jack in the house.

From what I can tell there are no wires leading to the screws. I was kinda coming here,becasue that the previous tenant had comcast phone service, and wanted confirmation that comcast had already removed the house from the Tel. CO. I live in the Pittsburgh Area if anyone may have seen a similar box and setup.


Just try to determine which wires are going where.

I think they used the crimp caps to keep the house wiring together and removed it from GREEN / RED Posts when they installed the Comcast. The Comcast wouldn't need the signal from the Tel Co and the same thing you are looking to do. My guess is the black wires are the main leads from the Tel Co and they also serve as test jack for them to test signal strength and connectivity before it ever enters the house.

That mess of GREEN / RED wires is most likely all the house wiring just wired together without being connected to the main lines AND maybe that's why it never worked when you placed the order ; )

I would just plug the output of LINE1 from the PAP2 into a wall jack in the house. Go to another wall jack and see if there is a dial tone ; ) If so call your cell or something with caller ID and it should come up with your number. GOOD LUCK!
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 08, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

KevinKII wrote:
Hmm. Thanks for the responses. I am just confused on how to tell if I am still connected to the Tel. CO. Unfortunately I cannot go buy any tester. I was just going to unplug the two black phone plug looking things above all the wires, and assume I was no longer connected to the Tel. CO. Then I was going to plug in my PAP2 to my router and connect to a phone jack in the house.

From what I can tell there are no wires leading to the screws. I was kinda coming here,becasue that the previous tenant had comcast phone service, and wanted confirmation that comcast had already removed the house from the Tel. CO. I live in the Pittsburgh Area if anyone may have seen a similar box and setup.


It's hard to say what has been done with this box, but normally you would be absolutely correct. The telephone company would have their wires connected to those jacks (female). The male plugs would be connected to the red and green terminals, and the rest of the house wiring would also connect to the terminals. Pulling the plug would completely disconnect the house from the phone company.

My guess in this case is that someone decided to connect the house wiring directly to plugs which just plug into the telephone company's jacks, avoiding the use of the terminals. I have no idea why. I suspect that pulling the plugs will still disconnect you from the phone company. On the other hand, the box has clearly been tampered with, so I'm making some guesses here.

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THanks, I am pretty sure your right no tel. co connection cause of comcast. I am up and running
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