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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You're telling me Sprint has no choice but to help Vonage, and hurt its own marketshare?

Yeah right!

Boy you just never give up. How much have you lost on this stock so far?

Sprint can do whatever it wants.

The Boardband Co's can kill Vonage anytime they want by charging extra for upload bandwidth.

You need high upload speeds for Voip, webcams, and not much else. Few would complain since few use Voip services. Those that do can just switch to the Cable Companies services and pay anything extra.

Judging by the rapid growth of CableCo's voice products, and Vonage's increasingly sluggish growth (lower sign-ups than last quarter + higher customer acq costs), this probably will never be necessary. Vonage will be bankrupt by its own corrupt misangement and lack of business plan in a year with anyone pushing it over the edge.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 4:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You're the one that doesn't give up.

if you can't see an opportunity for Vonage if WIMAX takes off, then either you're very biased or very ignorant!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

He is beyond borderline trolling at this point. I am surprized that Dan allows him to keep fishing.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LuisPR wrote:
He is beyond borderline trolling at this point. I am surprized that Dan allows him to keep fishing.


I disagree. BigTime has been very consistent in his opinions. I fault him more for digressing from the original topic when someone points out a fallacy in his logic and for being incredibly redundant.

I agree with him though that Sprint would be better served by restricting users of its network to its own equipment and services. Ultimately that is why it is paying for licensed spectrum and that is how mobile phones have been set up for years.

Ask yourself, why does a ringtone cost more than the same song from iTunes?

Every single mobile carrier has written into their policies for data usage that you can not use it for Voip conversations. Unless the FCC steps in and forces Sprint to open their WiMAX network up then why would they? And if Sprint is paying for licensed spectrum can the FCC make them open it?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Open WiMAX, or any other ISP delivery mechanism would be an incredible benefit for Vonage because it would create the market forces needed to give Vonage an neutral connection to the user.

BigTime's point is that Sprint's WiMAX is probably not going to be open. I agree.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Why would Sprint introduce WIMAX if it was not completely open. Remember they are competing against Comcast and VZ and anybody else who wants to deliver broadband.

Don't assume that two separate divisions within Sprint wouldn't cannabilize against each other. When WIMAX is introduced, Sprint is going to want every PC, laptop, PDA , (V-Phone) etc. to connect to it. The fact that consumers can use this connection ($40 - $100 per month) for telephony purposes will be a necessary step in the telecommunications evolution.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 09, 2006 10:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Because Sprint is offering WiMAX as a mobile internet service. They are burdened by extremely high spectrum costs. I would be suprised if they can offer WiMAX at a competitive price point. Therefore they will have to make money by providing services and content as well as an Internet connection.

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2006 4:35 pm    Post subject: More Pricing pressure from Comcast Reply with quote Back to top

Are you a Vonage subscriber? If not, be outta here then.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 07, 2006 1:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Just got a flyer in the mail for WiMax through clearwire.com (Seattle area) -- $20-30 a month for 1.5 down/256K up. The up is a little slow, but that's a good deal. Available now. The company was started by Craig McCaw, who started one of the first cell phone companies, which became AT&T Wireless, and which was later sold to someone or another (Cingular I think). His name's plastered all over town in Seattle ("McCaw Hall," "McCaw donated this," etc.).

Anyway, interesting. I'm a business user, and so have a Comcast business account, but WiMax looks like it has potential. My own personal feeling is that they should have tried to differentiate their service -- if they could off 1.5/1.0 (or better yet, 1.5/1.5), I would seriously consider it. I push a lot of data off our servers, and the big downside with any non-T1 solution is always the uplink side of the equation.
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