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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 2:00 pm    Post subject: unusable because of choppy calls Reply with quote Back to top

I am very keen to make Vonage work as the functionality is very impressive. It worked just fine for 3 days with pretty good quality on both ends of every call. Then suddenly, with nothing changed at my end, the system is unusable - for both me and the person I am calling we can here only bits of words, no whole words at all. This happens whether I make or receive the calls. I have spent much time with Vonage technical help. Their only suggestion was that my ISP turns off "interleaving" which is some sort of turbo-boost, apparently, for my broadband.
Now what? I cannot understand why the system would have worked just fine for 3 days and then suddenly become unusable. I should be grateful for any suggestion of what else could have caused the sudden problem.
My technical information is that I have 8Mb broadband from BT Yahoo in the UK. I use a SpeedTouch 570 router. The router has only one ethernet outlet and so the Vonage box is connected to this through an ethernet hub made by D-Link, DE-805TP. Note that plugging the Vonage box direct into the router makes no difference to the problem.
Voip test results follow
Speed test statistics
Download speed: 1112096 bps
Upload speed: 378360 bps
Quality of service: 7 %
Download test type: socket
Upload test type: socket
Maximum download pause: 952 ms
Average download pause: 16 ms
Minimum round trip time to server: 87 ms
Average round trip time to server: 173 ms

Voip test statistics
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Jitter: you --> server: 40.7 ms
Jitter: server --> you: 37.4 ms
Packet loss: you --> server: 0.0 %
Packet loss: server --> you: 0.0 %
Packet discards: 0.0 %
Packets out of order: 0.0 %
Number of supported Voip lines: 5
Estimated MOS score: 3.7
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

How about if you plug the Vonage box directly into the modem, eliminating the router all together?

You have a QoS of 7% according to the Voip test. I'm not sure what the significance of that is, though it appears related to delays. Please run a comparison test at www.testyourvoip.com and post the detailed results.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for replying. The SpeedTouch 570 is both router and modem and plugs directly into an ADSL phone socket on the wall. I don't think I can plug the Vonage box into that.
Here is the result of that test - I hope that you can read ok what I have pasted.
MOS Analysis From You TO Boston

Media Quality MOS 1.8 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.57 17.7%
Latency 1.33 41.1%
Packet Discards 1.33 41.1%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 693 ms
Packet Discards 6.0%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 20 ms
Avg: 120 ms
Max: 360 ms
Burst Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 12 ms
Max: 858 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Dial Delay 140 ms
Call Setup Time 160 ms
Media Delay 330 ms
MOS Analysis FROM Boston To You

Media Quality MOS 2.2 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.58 20.4%
Latency 1.32 46.8%
Packet Discards 0.92 32.8%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 693 ms
Packet Discards 3.7%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 40 ms
Avg: 140 ms
Max: 300 ms
Burst Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 4 ms
Max: 831 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Pickup Delay 140 ms
Call Setup Time 174 ms
Media Delay 194 ms
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Your packet discards are awful in both directions, especially on the uplink, as you would expect. Remove the Vonage box from the setup and plug your computer directly into the router. Repeat the test. If the results improve dramatically, then we need to look at the Vonage box as a problem source. If they don't (which is what I'm betting), then you need to work the problem with your ISP (including the modem/router as an ISP issue).

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:37 am    Post subject: Master firewall in Speedtouch 570 Reply with quote Back to top

Hi,

Audio issue could be due to master firewall in speedtouch 570. you can try disabling the firewall to see if it works.

Thanks.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

With the help of Speedtouch, I have bypassed the firewall so that the Vonage box now goes straight to the modem part of the 570 without going through the router part.
The calls are still unusably choppy.
My ISP has done what it calls a line test and says there is no problem - but to be honest, I am dealing with a call centre which seems to be working from instruction manuals with staff who have no technical knowledge - so I don't know how reliable their line test is or what it picks up.
I have rerun the www.testyourvoip.com test and here are the new results. Further ideas and suggestions would be much apprecited , Thanks !
MOS Analysis From You TO Boston

Media Quality MOS 2.5 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.58 23.4%
Latency 0.56 22.6%
Packet Discards 1.33 53.9%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 530 ms
Packet Discards 6.3%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 60 ms
Avg: 180 ms
Max: 440 ms
Burst Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 14 ms
Max: 803 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Dial Delay 121 ms
Call Setup Time 131 ms
Media Delay 281 ms
MOS Analysis FROM Boston To You

Media Quality MOS 2.9 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.57 26.9%
Latency 0.53 25.0%
Packet Discards 1.03 48.1%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 530 ms
Packet Discards 4.4%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 40 ms
Avg: 160 ms
Max: 500 ms
Burst Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 5 ms
Max: 792 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Pickup Delay 128 ms
Call Setup Time 137 ms
Media Delay 165 ms
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjk43,

If you are on Comcast you might want to read through this post --> http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic12747-0-asc-0.html. It was quite helpful for me. In the end, my problem turned out to be the cable modem.

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

mjk43 wrote:
With the help of Speedtouch, I have bypassed the firewall so that the Vonage box now goes straight to the modem part of the 570 without going through the router part.
The calls are still unusably choppy.
My ISP has done what it calls a line test and says there is no problem - but to be honest, I am dealing with a call centre which seems to be working from instruction manuals with staff who have no technical knowledge - so I don't know how reliable their line test is or what it picks up.
I have rerun the www.testyourvoip.com test and here are the new results.


Have you tried the re-test with the Vonage box completely removed from the setup?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Having turned off everything including the router overnight and having restarted this morning, one item at a time, I now have a usable Vonage phone with far quality, hoorah ! I guess the bypass is now working.
Many thanks for your help identifying the router as a likely cause !
I ran the testoyurvoip again this morning and got the results pasted below. It said "as bad as a crummy cellphone call" but it is actually a fair bit better than that. Does the testyourvoip still go through the router firewall? Is that why the test would show a worse result than I am now getting?
Any tips on enhancing the sound quality further would be much appreciated.
I remain very grateful for your excellent help

MOS 2.8 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.57 26.2%
Latency 0.00 0.0%
Packet Discards 1.62 73.8%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 157 ms
Packet Discards 7.1%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 20 ms
Avg: 40 ms
Max: 160 ms
Burst Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 8 ms
Max: 179 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Dial Delay 50 ms
Call Setup Time 60 ms
Media Delay 120 ms
MOS Analysis FROM London To You

Media Quality MOS 3.9 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)



Degradation Sources
Codec 0.57 51.6%
Latency 0.00 0.0%
Packet Discards 0.54 48.4%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%

Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 157 ms
Packet Discards 2.3%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods Min: 20 ms
Avg: 40 ms
Max: 80 ms
Burst Loss

Jitter Min: 0 ms
Avg: 4 ms
Max: 100 ms

Signaling Quality Post-Pickup Delay 49 ms
Call Setup Time 63 ms
Media Delay 81 ms
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 12, 2006 9:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You may be marginally satisfied with the results you're getting today, but I doubt that it will stay that way with the level of discards you're getting. I strongly suspect that you have an issue that needs to be worked with your ISP. To verify that, you need to repeat the Voip test with the Vonage adapter removed and your computer plugged directly into your modem/router.

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