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PostPosted: Tue Jul 04, 2006 12:33 pm    Post subject: WRT54GS V2.0 QoS applicability? Reply with quote Back to top

For WRT54GS (2.0/V3.37.6), will setting QoS to HIGH for MAC address(es) of VTA(s) allow fencing of upload bandwidth for VTA(s) if set appropriately? Specifically, will MAC-level QoS limit contention from wireless laptop on uploads?
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

from wrt54g firmware:
Two types of Quality of Service features are available, Wired QoS which controls devices plugged in to the router with a Ethernet cable, and Wireless QoS, which control devices that are wirelessly connected to the router.
Wireless QoS is also referred to as Wi-Fi MultiMediaTM (WMM) by the Wi-Fi AllianceTM. Select Enable to utilize WMM if you are using other wireless devices that are also WMM certified.

so the answer to your question is probably not.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

reebok wrote:
from wrt54g firmware:
Two types of Quality of Service features are available, Wired QoS which controls devices plugged in to the router with a Ethernet cable, and Wireless QoS, which control devices that are wirelessly connected to the router.
Wireless QoS is also referred to as Wi-Fi MultiMediaTM (WMM) by the Wi-Fi AllianceTM. Select Enable to utilize WMM if you are using other wireless devices that are also WMM certified.

so the answer to your question is probably not.


Thanks, Reebok. That became apparent to me last night after I applied the latest WRT54GS firmware from Linksys. The QoS administration panel on the new level of fimrware changed. Whereas the old level had only QoS parameters relevant to wired connections only, the new level has a section on Wireless QoS as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It will work quite nicely, BUT, it means you need to set the upstream/downstream appropriately. I use the 90% rule, just to give a little bit of headroom for the router/line conditions and better reliability.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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It will work quite nicely, BUT, it means you need to set the upstream/downstream appropriately. I use the 90% rule, just to give a little bit of headroom for the router/line conditions and better reliability.

VonageTPA,

Thanks for weighing in. However, I need some clarification. If essentially all of the competition for upload bandwidth is from my laptop connected via WIRELESS to the WRT54GS, is there any sense in using QoS (wired, wireless, or both) to ensure I have clean Voip calls via my VTA? If so, please elaborate. The only other wired connection to the WRT54GS ports is usually inactive and uses no upload bandwidth to speak of, even when active....
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 5:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

yeah that seems to fly in the face of the documentation. I have not tested it though, so it will be interesting to hear this explanation.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 05, 2006 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I didn't see the Wireless QoS part. I believe there is a WiFi QoS standard to give streaming applications priority, but haven't played with it, based on the available bandwidth on the wireless access point channel (NOT the internet connection). This would be most useful if you had a WiFi Voip phone or one of the WiFi multimedia centers.

As far as regular QoS goes (under Games/Applications), your internet connection has far less bandwidth than your wireless connection can push through, so it would be very advantageous for you to have this enabled and configured. Keep in mind that it doesn't take huge amounts of traffic (like BitTorrent/File-sharing) to cause Voip glitches. Even uploading a .PDF in e-mail or uploading pictures to a website will compete for the same bandwidth your Voip is trying to use and can cause dropouts in the audio. Applied correctly, QoS is one of those things you'll set & forget.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 9:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Applied correctly, QoS is one of those things you'll set & forget.


Actually, QoS is one of those things that must be frequently reevaluated to be applied correctly. Seemingly small changes to the network can have big consequences to QoS. Additional devices and users, changes in traffic, etc. may require you to use a completely different set of QoS techniques to get the best solution.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Applied correctly, QoS is one of those things you'll set & forget.


Actually, QoS is one of those things that must be frequently reevaluated to be applied correctly. Seemingly small changes to the network can have big consequences to QoS. Additional devices and users, changes in traffic, etc. may require you to use a completely different set of QoS techniques to get the best solution.


We're not talking about a fast changing corporate network or Internet Cafe. Home users don't have near as many changes to their network, and unless your service provider makes a mjor change, you CAN forget it. I ran my QOS settings for over a year with no changes, and had no problems. I had no ISP changes within that year, and added one new PC.

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navydavy2001 wrote:
We're not talking about a fast changing corporate network or Internet Cafe. Home users don't have near as many changes to their network, and unless your service provider makes a mjor change, you CAN forget it. I ran my QOS settings for over a year with no changes, and had no problems. I had no ISP changes within that year, and added one new PC.


There are times that I have a lot of large packets moving in the network where LEMs are necessary to reduce jitter. Other times, I may be using TCP applications that are best served by using RED on them and PQ on the Voip. In other circumstances, I need to use other QoS techniques for optimum performance. This is on my home network.

When I travel, I need to evaluate the network to decide which QoS techniques that I am able to use, and which will help.

QoS is a large and complex subject, not a simple setting in a single network device.
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