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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 5:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Anyone?? Reply with quote Back to top

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What is a CLEC?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: CLEC Reply with quote Back to top

CLEC = Competitive Local Exchange Carrier
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I am not certain how I missed your follow-up post, and others have already supplied the verbiage for the acronym, but let me tell you what a CLEC actually is and why it is important. (Take some of this with a grain of salt and not as absolute truth. It should be close enough to what is going on to explain what a CLEC is and why it is important.)

There are two types of phone companies, a CLEC and an ILEC (incumbent local exchange carrier). In most cases all of the residential last mile phone lines are handled by the ILEC. Those lines are routed into a central office (CO) owned and managed by the ILEC. Inside the central office the lines can be terminated on equipment owned by a CLEC. The CLEC rents space from the ILEC for this purpose.

In many cases the lines are simply aggregated together and delivered to the CLEC's office. The CLEC's office can handle lines from multiple COs.

What is important to us is to understand what happens when a call is placed to a number controlled by the CLEC. The calling party's phone company will look up the number to see what company handles that number and then route the call to that company. The CLEC will then route the call through the CO and out to the customer's house.

When Vonage wants to provide local numbers for an area it goes to a CLEC and works out a deal. It sticks some equipment in the CLEC office so that when a call comes in for a Vonage subscriber it is routed to this equipment and then over the Internet. This is why your physical location doesn't need to match your area code with Vonage.

The bottom line of this story is that if there is no CLEC to handle local call termination then there is nobody for Vonage to work with. It is likely that there are CLECs in your area (most CLECs work strictly with business lines and not residential lines), however, if there isn't one, or there isn't one that Vonage normally works with, then you can expect it to take longer before Vonage can provide local numbers in your area.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 10:53 pm    Post subject: OK Thanks! Reply with quote Back to top

I'm a bit new to the Voip and cell phone thing...so I'm going to have to research this a bit more. I thank you kindly for the information though.

I'm curious....we of course have regular landline phone here....but we also have....and I would imagine over half of the clients in the area utilize it (I'm one)....a cable phone service. It is unique..and as I said before..the only system in the country like it.....that may have changed with it's high degree of success....we were a test market...but what I'm wondering is, does our system utulize CLECs or ILEC's? Is it possible that it utilizes neither? Keep in mind the peculiarity of the system. What, in your opinion, path does our system follow? I would imagine that we have no more than 200,000 customers hooked to it.

I suppose I could call Prarie Wave/Fibercom and ask them....you see I'm interested in having a local phone line...and the company is small enough that my interaction with them might inspire them to help. On the other hand they might be less than willing to cooperate as they offer thier own phone service....and of course they charge landline rates for it. Heavy use if Voip would cut into there profits...then again, it would be a hell of a selling point for their service. It would appeal in a large way to business clients....specifically I'm speaking of call centers like Premier Credit Card. Obviously they probably use a watts line or some such thing but in any, case Voip would save them a bundle.

This document may shed some light on the propriatary nature of the Prairie Wave/Fibercom system.....Qwest was attempting to get them to expose certain aspects of the system.

http://www.state.sd.us/puc/commission/minutes/minutes_2003/transcript/tc03-057tr070703.pdf

I'm not certain, but I beleive that Prairie Wave is a CLEC. Perhaps from reading the document you will be able to ascertain, from an experts perspective, whether it is or not.
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 06, 2006 11:34 pm    Post subject: OK it's a CLEC Reply with quote Back to top

I've determined, by reading a couple of documents that Black Hills Fibercom is indeed a CLEC.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 9:13 am    Post subject: Re: OK Thanks! Reply with quote Back to top

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what I'm wondering is, does our system utulize CLECs or ILEC's? Is it possible that it utilizes neither? Keep in mind the peculiarity of the system. What, in your opinion, path does our system follow?


You have already discovered that Prairie Wave/Fibercom is a CLEC. The more complete answer is that everyone who offers local phone service is either a ILEC, a CLEC or a reseller.

The ILECs were the phone companies in existence at the time of the AT&T breakup. Of those only Cincinnati Bell still exists. The remaining companies have been consolidated under the three RBOC (Regional Bell Operating Companies) AT&T, Qwest and Verizon.

There are many CLECs, CLECs are registered with the state regulating agency and follow rules and regulations put in place by the FCC. I suggest a quick trip to view Wikipedia's short description of CLECs.

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It would appeal in a large way to business clients....specifically I'm speaking of call centers like Premier Credit Card. Obviously they probably use a watts line or some such thing but in any, case Voip would save them a bundle.


Businesses have had access to Voip technology for years. Many large corporations have used Voip for years to connect multiple sites around the world.

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This document may shed some light on the propriatary nature of the Prairie Wave/Fibercom system.....Qwest was attempting to get them to expose certain aspects of the system.
http://www.state.sd.us/puc/commission/minutes/minutes_2003/transcript/tc03-057tr070703.pdf


Qwest was merely attempting to prove that it was allowing local competition. It was a requirement for the ILECs to become CLECs in other areas to prove that they were allowing competition in their own area. The information that Qwest was asking for was simply the information that the FCC required to prove significant competition in their home markets existed.

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We believe that the information regarding
facilities, customers, forecasts, market studies
are clearly relevant for the Commission to know
about the market that we seek to reclassify to
fully competitive.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 07, 2006 11:18 am    Post subject: Re: Anyone?? Reply with quote Back to top

RCD wrote:
What is a CLEC?

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A competitive local exchange carrier (CLEC), is a telecommunications provider company (sometimes called a "carrier") that competes with other, already established carriers (generally the incumbent).

The incumbent local exchange carrier is commonly referred to as the ILEC.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 08, 2006 1:00 am    Post subject: Thanks folks Reply with quote Back to top

OK now I have something to work with....I'll have to do some studying.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 09, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: I'm curious... Reply with quote Back to top

What's your connection to the company? You seem to be trying to promote it very heavily. There's really nothing proprietary or unique to it's offerings. They claim to be "the first company to offer free over the net calling" in 2002. While they may have been the first to give it away, other's provided the service in the early and mid 90's. Net2Phone started promoting to consumers in 1996. Many large corporations have used it internally much earlier. My company (a large computer services company) has been using Voip internally since 1992.

You'll need more than a local Voip provider to attract a call center to your area. I currently service 8 of them for a major credit card company, and we're opening a 9th in Calgary in April 2007.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 10, 2006 4:15 pm    Post subject: I have no connection to the company Reply with quote Back to top

Other, than perhaps, being a dissatisfied customer I have no connection. The company, Black Hills Fibercom, did not offer VOIP....and they don't today, in there present incarnation, Prairie Wave.

Black Hills Fibercom didn't offer Voip in 1996-97 but voice over cable, television over cable and internet over cable....the same cable. I'll state once again that it was the FIRST SUCH SYSTEM IN THE COUNTRY. What happened in 2002 was Fibercoms aquisition by Prairie Wave.....a company directed by an advertising man....not a person fluent in networks. Anything that Prairie Wave says about themselves cannot be taken very seriously because...as I stated before...they're now being run by a professional **** artist. More to the point, Prairie Wave doesn't offer anything for free....especially not phone service, Voip or otherwise.

What I would like...and can't quit frankly....understand why it's not being offered by Vonage, is number portability. I'm forced either to require those locals who call me to pay for a long distace call or I have to run a new number....an 800 number, instead of my present one....Not terribly convenient...and not mentioned on the box of the Vtech/Vonage phone I purchased from Best Buy. More importantly I have to PAY EXTRA for the 800 number

And as far as attracting a call center goes....there is a call center HERE RIGHT NOW, got it? It is owned and run by Premier Bank.

Why don't you read my post before you reply....you'll appear far less ignorant.

Very Sincerely,

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