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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:01 pm    Post subject: Verizon FIOS, Bittorrent, QoS, VT1000, Dlink DI-642... Reply with quote Back to top

I'm in Crofton, MD. I have Verizon FIOS 2Mbps/15Mbps. My Vonage device is the Motorola VT1000. I use Azureus and have total max uploads capped at 70kbps. My Vonage QoS is set to HIGH quality. There is no QoS option on my router. Currently, I am set up like this:

FIOS --> Dlink DI-642 router ---> Motorola VT1000

I'm experiencing very chopping audio on my phone calls when Bittorrent is running. Other than getting a router that has the QoS fucntion, is there anything else that I can do? Does anyone else have experience with this? Also, I have tried putting the VT1000 in front of the router and what happens is it loses interconnectivity (DNS?) which requires a reboot of the VT1000 to restore interconnectivity. Help!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

70kbps should leave more than enough bandwidth available for you there. I'm thinking that BitTorrent is making more connections than the D-Link router can handle and it's dropping packets. Anyone with FIOS or this particular router want to comment on this one? FWIW, enabling QoS on the VT1000 isn't going to make any difference since it's sitting behind the router. Your router would need to be what performs the QoS.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think everyone with FIOS has this router since it is delivered as part of the FIOS package (it is necessary to have this particular router if you want to get FIOS TV).

I have this same setup. Are you experiencing choppy inbound or outbound audio? How many simultaneous connections are you allowing?

I will run some tests and see what I discover this weekend and post my results. I don't think you should be experiencing audio dropouts. As a thought, why don't you run the site's Voip Speed Test while running Azureus and post those results.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 4:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have a FIOS connection & one of these routers out at my church (yeah, I know, overkill... we'll never use THAT much bandwidth, but the price was cheaper than the DSL connection.) Depending on how busy things are, I might be able to give it a good working over this weekend as well. So far the D-Link hasn't been a bad router, but it's not my fav. either, and will be replacing it soon with something a bit more industrial-strength.

to the original poster: Is voice quality fine when you first start up Azureus? If my theory is right, voice quality should be alright initially, but after the first few minutes-hours (not sure how big the routing tables are on the D-Link) of Azureus running continuously, you'll start to encounter problems.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Ok, the term "connections" confuses me a bit. Is that the number of people that connects to me using bittorrent? If so, I've tried limiting it to only 20 connections. I also limit to two downloads/uploads. As for audio, incoming audio sounds fine. Outbound is what's bad (callers complain of choppiness). I've not tested to see if call quality is better when Auzureus first starts up vs being on for a while. My guess is that you want to see if number connections is what's affecting the quality. If indeed it's the number of connections that's the cuprit, what do you suggest as a remedy? Lowering it to below 20? I think default connections setting was like 500 on Azureus.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Also, the dlink DI-642 is the router Verizon gives you with the FIOS. Apparently, I must have when FIOS TV becomes available. I'm not sure why it HAS to be this router but that's what they said.

I will run the Voip test when I get home tonight and post the results.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 22, 2006 5:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

"Connections" refers to the # of connections between you & other people. Just because someone has disconnected from you on BitTorrent doesn't mean the router has forgotten about it. Some of the routers remember these connections for up to a week. Only problem with that approach is that consumer routers don't usually have a lot of memory, so they run out of memory, start dropping packets, and all hell breaks loose. Even 'though you only may have 20 connections allowed, that's just 20 simultaneous connections at one time, and doesn't force the router to clear out its memory. There are also reports of this router overheating very easily.

Interesting... I looked up the router reviews on NewEgg.com of this router:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/CustratingReview.asp?item=N82E16833127028

Doesn't look like it has a lot of fans out there. As far as needing that specific router for FIOS TV, I believe it's for the WAN->LAN throughput. Many consumer routers can't handle the bandwidth available with FIOS, so I'd imagine TV over IP would probably kill the lower-end consumer routers. The Tom's Hardware router list rates routers by quite a few things, including bandwidth. Unfortunately, the 624 doesn't show up on their list, but if you're looking for a new router, it's a good place to look.

http://www.tomsnetworking.com/lans_routers/charts/index.html?chart=119


At the same time, check out the list of maximum connections each router supports as well:

http://www.tomsnetworking.com/lans_routers/charts/index.html?chart=124

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