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PostPosted: Fri Jun 16, 2006 1:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ckudrna, you don't have a clue. You seem to be just stuck on stupid. Not in your wildest dreams would you be more proficient in the market as myself. If you're actually a stock broker, I pity anyone that is moronic enough to be your client. You seem to be stuck on getting answers to your ridiculous history questions about IPO's. My 10 year old could answer those questions simply by Googling the things. You know the history of IPO's, and now your an IPO expert? You're the one who needs to get off this forum. I've shown this forum to a couple of friends who have been Wall Street brokers for over 10 years. They have their own opinions on the Vonage IPO, and they also were the one's who advised me to stay as far away from it as possible. When they read all of your posts, they couldn't stop laughing. To them, your reasonings behind not paying, why the IPO failed, etc., made no sense. They suggested you stay behind the McDonald's counter that you obviously work behind, and leave the stock market to the professionals.
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rudedog40 wrote:
ckudrna, you don't have a clue. You seem to be just stuck on stupid. Not in your wildest dreams would you be more proficient in the market as myself. If you're actually a stock broker, I pity anyone that is moronic enough to be your client. You seem to be stuck on getting answers to your ridiculous history questions about IPO's. My 10 year old could answer those questions simply by Googling the things. You know the history of IPO's, and now your an IPO expert? You're the one who needs to get off this forum. I've shown this forum to a couple of friends who have been Wall Street brokers for over 10 years. They have their own opinions on the Vonage IPO, and they also were the one's who advised me to stay as far away from it as possible. When they read all of your posts, they couldn't stop laughing. To them, your reasonings behind not paying, why the IPO failed, etc., made no sense. They suggested you stay behind the McDonald's counter that you obviously work behind, and leave the stock market to the professionals.


ha ha. No, I am not a stock broker. Stock brokers know very little about anything but selling. Thats what they do, they sell. Most of them will sell you chicken **** for the right price. I work in the derivatives field and usually stay away from stocks. IPO issues were a focus area during business school for me. I encourage you to "google" the answers to those questions and think a little more about why management might have wanted this IPO. I think that IPOs are a very fascinating field and I urge you to learn more about them.

I think it is obvious that you do not work in the field of finance. I would encourage you to read a bit about IPO theory and think a bit more critically than just tossing out things like "stuck on stupid". It does not make you come across as very educated.

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You want me to answer your questions, but you never answered mine. Now you're this futures and options expert who never deals in the stock market. Yet you jumped into this IPO without doing one iota of research. So you 'studied IPO's in business school'. Might want to go look at the grades you made during that section of study. Probably find you didn't do so well.
I'm glad you've discovered all the fallacies in this IPO transaction. You should write a paper on it and submit it to the ambulance chasers that are heading up all these useless lawsuits. I'm sure they could use your expert opinion.
I wouldn't touch the financial field with a ten foot pole. As long as Bush is still in office pushing his war, that will stay the most unstable industry in the country.
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rudedog40 wrote:
You want me to answer your questions, but you never answered mine. Now you're this futures and options expert who never deals in the stock market. Yet you jumped into this IPO without doing one iota of research. So you 'studied IPO's in business school'. Might want to go look at the grades you made during that section of study. Probably find you didn't do so well.
I'm glad you've discovered all the fallacies in this IPO transaction. You should write a paper on it and submit it to the ambulance chasers that are heading up all these useless lawsuits. I'm sure they could use your expert opinion.
I wouldn't touch the financial field with a ten foot pole. As long as Bush is still in office pushing his war, that will stay the most unstable industry in the country.


I really can't be on here all day responding to your inane comments.

First of all, I would not judge my ability to find my way through a financial statement. I think if you ask all traders in the world 90% of them would tell you that trading is psychological. You get a innovative company like VG with a product that will probably become the standard in years to come, you look at non quantitative factors to determine what you think it will do. I of course thought that it would do much better than it did, but my basis for wanting to participate was not based off of the sterling VG income statement, but off of the fact that stocks move with emotion, not always the straight numbers. This is particularly true in IPOs where you see such excitement about new issues making one week returns for IPOs so high, and then once the interests fizzles a bit, you see steep declines in the year that follows. You really need to admit that you do not know who you are talking to over the internet. I appreciate that you think you are more informed about this business but the fact is you are not.

Secondly, I did very well in business school. I'd love to fax you a transcript if you like.

Thirdly, You really discredit yourself by just coming out and saying that the whole financial field is a mess because of the president. I am not sure how that really works out. Historically (i know you do not like history), global equity markets have faired much better when a republican is in the white house as opposed to a donkey. Thats just the way it works out, so stating that the whole field is a mess because of the president is just plainly historically and factual incorrect.

I can give you a list of way more unstable industries in the United States. Banks and brokerage houses have been spitting out huge earnings for years now (coincidence, Bush has been president). Are you saying that the financial industry is more "unstable" than the auto makers? Tell me a bit about GM and Ford's woes these days, and then tell me how GS and C have been doing. Your comments about the financial industry being unstable is just plain wrong.

I really have enjoyed the opportunity to debate the facts and fictions of this IPO and how it will rank in history in terms of performance. You are refusing to admit many facts regarding this IPO and the science of quantitative finance and IPO theory. If you are very interested in this field I encourage you to go to business school and focus in on this area, as it is very interesting. It will be very interesting to see how this matter is resolved and what the courts, VG, and banks do. It will also be very interesting to see the effect of including customers in on the deal has on future IPOs of subscriber based companies. I wish you good luck with whatever non-financial industry you work in.
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Now that was a very intelligent response, albeit a long winded one. You finally explained your reasonings on why you participated in the Vonage IPO. It wasn't to make a quick buck, but to test specific business financial theories. You now have enough documentation put together to submit your thesis for a Doctorate in Finance. Congratulations. I hope that works out for you.
Sorry you don't have the time to continue this nonsensical banter. I myself have all the time in the world. I sold a very successful Internet company several years ago before the bottom fell out, and dabble in the market and other financial ventures just to past the time of day. The only reason I continue to post in this forum, is because it's so easy to tweak people like you. You have constantly rambled as to how Vonage cheated you out of a pittance when it comes to stock investment. You seem to be fortunate because the brokerage firm decided to let you off the hook, yet you still post complaint after complaint about the failures of this IPO. Hopefully you will hold to your word and not waste your time posting to this forum again.
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All of us peons in the peanut gallery are watching, going "Ooooooo." :lol:
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