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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 2:28 pm    Post subject: Plugless NiD and wireless router in the basement Reply with quote Back to top

I moved into a new house and there were jsut 2 cat5 wires hanging from the basement. there's no NID so i called verizon to install one and im thinking of just cancelling the account in 2 weeks. problem is the NID they gave me is the plugless model. i have no idea how to connect my ata to that. i can't just plug my ata to a phone jack after disconnecting from verizon because my ATA has to be in the basement because the cable modem is connected there. i can't bring it upstairs cuz the cable company said the signal is too weak. So now im running off a wireless network. i want my phone jacks to work with Vonage.

i thought i can just hook up the ata to the NID some how with modular jacks. i'm all out of ideas Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

get a pair of wire cutters snip the 2 cat 5s that go to your house wiring - not the telcos line now strip the and hook them you to a phone jack - your done use the blue / blue white pair - hook them up to the red / green wires of the phone jack.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 13, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You didn't indicate what kind of NID you do have, but if you can open it and find some terminals, disconnect Verizon's land line from them. Take a phone cord and cut off one end. Strip back the insulation and connect the red wire to the terminal with the blue cat 5 wires on it. Connect the green wire to the terminal with the blue-white cat 5 wires on it. Plug the other end of the cord into your Vonage box.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

a-dhold wrote:
get a pair of wire cutters snip the 2 cat 5s that go to your house wiring - not the telcos line now strip the and hook them you to a phone jack - your done use the blue / blue white pair - hook them up to the red / green wires of the phone jack.


so did i even need to install an NID? I have the NID from verizon looks like this

about stripping the two cat 5 wires. do i buy a phone jack and hook them up to it? but can u put two blue wires and two blue n white wires to one phone jack?

i tried buying a modular phone block and hooked up the blue to the blue terminal and the whites to the white terminal and plugged that into my ata it doesn't work.

also once i cancelled my verizon line, do i have to unplug anything? there's no plug to unplug. should i just pull the wires out of the terminals? i read something about coating it with silicone or saudering something so it won't short circuit. im confused. why can't i just pull it out of the box?

thanks for the advice, ill try it once i cut off verizon.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

To answer a few of your questions:

1. Yes, once you've cancelled Verizon you still, definitely, have to disconnect from their wiring.

2. Given that you have a plugless NID, your idea of just disconnecting the cat 5 wires and pulling them out of the box is a good one. Yes, getting the NID was probably a waste.

3. Connecting the cat 5 wires to a phone jack into which you plug the Vonage box is another good idea, and yes, you can put two pairs into the same jack. Connect both blues to the red on the jack and both blue-whites to the green.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 9:36 pm    Post subject: i got it to work=) Reply with quote Back to top

I got fed up of running down to the basement everytime i get a phone call so i figured I'm just gonna start stripping some wires and connect them together. I opened my NID and it looked like this
thats the customer side. As you can see there is no plug in the test jack so i have no idea how to disconnect from verizon. So i opened the side for the telephone company using a socket wrench and this is how it looks like


since i didn't want to fry my ATA i yanked out the cat 5 wires that were originally hanging from the ceiling and hooked them up to the junction box. the connected the junction box into my Vonage line and it works fine. my question is. one of the jacks in the living room is wired using orange and orange/white wires. is it ok that i put it in the same screw terminal as the blue/bluewhite wires? also i noticed that the NID was grounded by a ground wire. will my ATA be safe from power surges? i hooked it up to a surge protector power bar. btw steve48 ur completely right. paying verizon to hook up an NID is completely useless arrrgh Evil or Very Mad im cancelling my verizon account tomorrow. thanks so much for the help guys!
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2006 10:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Using cat 5, phone plugs in the house normally have 4 wires, giving you the potential of having 2 phone lines. If the jacks use the old red, green, yellow, black color scheme, then the normal wiring is blue to red and blue-white to green for line 1, and orange to yellow and orange-white to black for line 2.

If that oddball jack in the living room is actually wired using just the orange and orange-white, and they're connected to the red-green wires in the jack, then it's non-standard wiring. You can certainly hook the orange and orange-white in that jack to the blue and blue-white respectively to get that jack to work. The better way to do it if it has all 4 wires in the box would be to re-wire it so it's like all the others.

It's possible that someone deliberately crossed the wiring in that jack to make line 2 available to an ordinary single line phone. What you do with it is, of course, up to you.

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