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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Besides, Vonage buying back the shares sold via the Directed Share Program (much like a reverse split) will bring a demand to the stock and stablize the price.


If you think that buying back a few shares that were not paid for is somehow going to create demand for the stock, you are mistaken. It is nowhere near a reverse split.

I am counting the days until I can short this stock.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If you want to think that this is good and it is just a reverse split you go on ahead and think that. It is nothing of the sort..

Call it what it is, Giving those who don't want the stock an opportunity to get out without penalty leaving those holding the stock whom paid the IPO price because those who aren't going to now pay for the stock created the extra demand that made the IPO price at $17.

Allowing only a segment of your shareholders an out and an opportunity to be made whole in the investment is WRONG!
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

i agree with you 100% gfoulks. if VG decides to allow people off the hook, they have to allow EVERYONE off the hook.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LuisPR wrote:

Besides, Vonage buying back the shares sold via the Directed Share Program (much like a reverse split) will bring a demand to the stock and stablize the price.

This is all good news to those holding on.


Could you please explain how you see this similar to a reverse split and how you feel a reverse split would be a good thing?

I do not really see that connection, and also, in most cases I would think a reverse split is bad news for a stock, not good news?

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LDTalk wrote:
LuisPR wrote:

Besides, Vonage buying back the shares sold via the Directed Share Program (much like a reverse split) will bring a demand to the stock and stablize the price.

This is all good news to those holding on.


Could you please explain how you see this similar to a reverse split and how you feel a reverse split would be a good thing?

I do not really see that connection, and also, in most cases I would think a reverse split is bad news for a stock, not good news?


Simple - Vonage would be buying back about 15 percent of the 31.25 million shares it put out on the street, hence puting a demand on the remaining shares, much like a reverse split.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Correct a reverse split is suppose to help a stock and to help create a demand. In this case a buy back of shares returned by investors who refused to pay for their allocation is not a reverse split because it won't create any demand for the stock nor will it help lift the stock to the level of the IPO price.

Instead what it will do is create a negative affect to the stock by upsetting current holders, who will inturn sell off their shares and further weaken the stock causing less demand for the stock and lower prices.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Instead what it will do is create a negative affect to the stock by upsetting current holders, who will inturn sell off their shares and further weaken the stock causing less demand for the stock and lower prices.


On what basis? You are speculating.
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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My understanding is that a reverse split is usually a negative sign - often caused by a stock's price being too low to satisfy listing requirements.

While neither a split nor a reverse split has any material effect (i.e. market cap will in theory remain the same), in my experience a stock split is usually seen as a positive, causing share price to increase, while a reverse split is seen as a sign of weakness, often causing a drop in share price.

A few online references regarding reverse splits:

"For example, a 1-for-2 reverse split means you get half as many shares, but at twice the price. It's usually a bad sign if a company is forced to reverse split - firms do it to make their stock look more valuable when, in fact, nothing has changed. A company may also do a reverse split to avoid being delisted." Investopedia

"These desperation moves -- bundling shares for sale at a higher price -- rarely lift faltering stocks for long. Odds are better for short-sellers." MSN Money

"A reverse stock split is a special kind of stock split which reduces the number of shares outstanding. This increases the price of each share of stock. Companies usually declare reverse splits to avoid being delisted or to hide a declining stock price." About

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LuisPR wrote:
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Instead what it will do is create a negative affect to the stock by upsetting current holders, who will inturn sell off their shares and further weaken the stock causing less demand for the stock and lower prices.


On what basis? You are speculating.


Luis, you posted previously:
"If Vonage buys back the customer shares, that is like a reverse split and the price will certainly go up as it creates a new demand."

I would say you are speculating as much as gfoulks, if not more, and as I previosuly posted, such a buyback will be nothing like a reverse split (which is usually a bad sign anyways).

Nobody can know for sure what will happen, but I would say gfoulks scenario seems by far the most likely if the honest investors end up being "punished" by the dishonest ones getting off the hook...

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PostPosted: Wed May 31, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Speculating? Look at the price of the stock, it is down 64% today on light volume. With all of this news of a buy back it should have the reverse effect on a stock as you've mentioned. All of these committed shares that are not being bought by these 1000 + DSP members are basically out of play. Where is this demand you speak of?

If it makes you feel better by calling this a reverse split... By all means go for it. I've got my own name for it.
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