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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Nina already posted this link in her 0 to 1300 shares thread.
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gfoulks wrote:
It is a no win situation for Vonage.


I totally agree - Vonage is in deep trouble, and it seems every possible move is a bad move...

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The only logical solution for Vonage and the underwriters to save face is to rescind the IPO and try to forget that this bad dream ever happened.


There are many problems with this solution though. One major one being that Vonage needs the money this IPO raised badly - if the IPO should be cancelled, the only remaining hope for Voange is likely a buyout, and it is hard to imagine anyone willing to pay anywhere near this kind of money in the current situation.

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With the exception of a major telco but at seriously discounted rate.

I see no other option for Vonage but to rescind this IPO.
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SO LONG MY PHONE WORKS WHO CARES!
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SO LONG MY PHONE WORKS WHO CARES!

If a telco buys Vonage and rolls everyone into their plans at a higher rate I suspect a large number of people will care.

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Just stopped payment on my check


I just did the same... Factors in my decision:

1) The stock is at $12.50 today. That's $4.50 below IPO price. The underwriters have failed at their job of pricing this stock IPO properly, AND helping stabilize the stock after IPO. At $12.50/share, Vonage has a market cap of $2.1 billion. With just over 1 million subscribers, that's a value of about $2,000 per subscriber. This is in line with cable TV companies. Yet it is hardly sustainable for Voip companies - for it's so much easier to change provider or to add another one! At $17/share, Vonage would have been worth about $2720 per subscriber. That's too pricey. I wish i had known this ratio before IPO time. I could not find it anywhere.

2) I watched SquawkBox this morning on CNBC; they reported the news of the Vonage IPO share buy-back for customers. They did express some concern about the legality of doing so, without creating effectively 2 classes of shareholders... CNBC also said Vonage issued a press release on Monday May 29 announcing Vonage CFO John Rego would appear on Squawk Box on Tuesday, and this morning Vonage sent out another press release: "Correction - Vonage's CFO will not Appear on Squawk Box"... That part is true; see Vonage headlines on any financial website.

3) I called Smith Barney, talked to supervisor, and informed them of my decision to wait till the dust settles before paying for my shares. Of course, they tried to talk me out of it. When i asked them about the CNBC report, first they said i should contact Vonage directly. I asked them for a contact person. They could only provide the main number: 732-528-2600. I called, tried to connect to Jeffrey Citron (Chairman)'s office by spelling his name in phone directory. System found his name, then said: "We're sorry the number you've dialed is invalid..." Tried to connnect to Michael Snyder (CEO). System found his name, then said: "We're sorry the number you've dialed is invalid...".. Finally, i was able to get to an operator who transferred me to Michael Snyder's voicemail, where i left a message asking Vonage to please send out a press release to clear up this IPO mess, and state the company's official position on the CNBC report.

4) I use Vonage at home for 1 year and a half now. I have 2 lines, and no more Bellsouth line. I really like Vonage, and i have recommended the service to all my friends. (Even got 2 referrals credits). In my experience, Vonage has exceeded my phone service expectations. So, i am really hoping Vonage will choose to do the right thing for its customers in this failed IPO. It was a nice idea to let its customers buy IPO shares. It could have worked if they had done like Google: a true reverse Dutch auction. (Recall Google was priced at $84 and by the end of its first day was at $100).

I wish Vonage could now offer to ALL its customers the possibility of selling back their IPO shares. Use the money Vonage raised at its IPO to benefit its customers. Considering the excellent record of service, i would probably keep half my shares... just because i like Vonage overall, and believe they are a great alternative to paying high rates to Baby Bells.

Good luck making your own decision!
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[font=Arial] [/font] I've read all the postings about how and why you should be able to bail fom your committment to purchasing the pre-IPO shares you so dearly wanted. Why in the world would Vonage or any other viable business want to do this? You knew what the risks were going in. I signed up and had the same opportunity as you to buy pre-IPO. However, right before committing, I consulted my broker and several other individuals who are knowledgeable in the stock market. Everyone of them said this was a bad buy. I even read several negative reports on the IPO the week prior to the offering. So I took their advise and bailed. You guys didn't do the research and only saw the dollar signs of a quick sale in your eyes. If the stocked soared on opening and went to $30, and Vonage contacted you and said,"Hey valued customer, to keep Vonage going strong, we want to buy back all your stocks at $17." would you sell them to them at that price? Of course not. If Vonage is going to buy back all your shares, can I go back to all those failed dot.com companies I sunk several thousands of dollars into back in 2000-2001 and say, " Hey, I didn't expect your stock to tank like it did. I want my money back." It's the stock market, you invest, you take the risk. Was the stock overpriced? Appears so. How many other IPO companies have overpriced their stocks and it's tanked? Thousands. Look up Palm and Beyond.com to name a couple. You sound like the Dukes in that movie Trading Places -- "This is an outrage!! This isn't right!! Turn the machines back on!!!!" Take your losses and move on. Or do as what another wise investor has stated here. Buy the same amount of Vonage you did on the IPO while the stock is down in the sub $12. If it moves back up into the $15 - $16 range, you've broke even. If it doesn't, then it's moot point. Vonage will either fold or get bought out. Then you'll have to go pay the $25 - $40 per month the other Voip comapnies wnat for their service.
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At $12.50/share, Vonage has a market cap of $2.1 billion. With just over 1 million subscribers, that's a value of about $2,000 per subscriber. This is in line with cable TV companies. Yet it is hardly sustainable for Voip companies - for it's so much easier to change provider or to add another one! At $17/share, Vonage would have been worth about $2720 per subscriber. That's too pricey. I wish i had known this ratio before IPO time. I could not find it anywhere.


Vonage had 1.6 million subscribers at the end of March, so the price is a bit lower than what you outlined...

I posted an entry in my blog about this the day Vonage went public:
Vonage: What is a Phone Line Worth?

At that time the company was priced around $1650 per subscriber line, which I felt could not be justified based on the available data.

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