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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

"It will Not affect your credit so do not listen to the poster(probably works for underwriter telling you otherwise)."

You came here and fired the first shot, so don't whine when long standing members defend themselves from trollers. if you want to participate, be civil, and you can argue anything you want. Start calling people out, and you'll be gone soon enough at your own hands.

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

oz_80 wrote:
Had the stocks gone the otherway, you guys wouldn't be here **** and whining. C'mon, you all knew the risks. No one put a gun to your head and forced you to buy the stock. Take your losses like a man and move on already. Vonage buying back stocks are wishful thinking. Not paying the underwriters ? There'll be repercussion to that action (or should I say inaction). good luck.


oz_80: I totally agree with you but the fact is Vonage is reported after discussions this weekend for what options they would pursue as it related to those not paying for their shares... From the press release read on CNBC three options where discussed.

1) Legal action
2) stick it to the underwriters and have them deal with it.
3) Buy the stocks back from those who don't pay for their allocation.

Management decided on option 3.

My point is that I knew the risk but given the opportunity to to have my shares bought back at $17 a share.... Why are those who failed/refused to pay being rewarded with this buy back and those that paid are getting stuck with a busted IPO?
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Let Vonage try suing all the customers that did not pay...GOOD LUCK! Vonage/Underwriters are already screwed...Furthermore, , The underswiters job was to stabilize the price at 17 which the failed to do! The stock should have NEVER failed below 17 if the underwriters were committed to this deal...learn how new issues work....
Bottom line I will bet the ranch the whole thing will be cancelled along with all trades...it has happened before with failed IPOs and this is without question a FLOP!
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I completely agree with you guys. I'm not looking to stiff anyone but if there's a way out and its condoned by Vonage by means of a press release there is no way I'm paying for my shares after being blindsighted by the poor pricing of this POS. Good PR move by Vonage as they only allotted 4 million to customers so to buy back at a $4 loss would only be a 16 million dollar loss. Pennies compared to the bad PR and negative sentiment it would leave with their loyal customer base going forward.
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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:48 am    Post subject: Re: Vonage to buy back shares for those not willing to pay. Reply with quote Back to top

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Heard this morning on CNBC that for Select customers who chose not to pay for the shares they asked for Vonage is going to buy those shares back from the customer.

So if you broke the rules your rewarded with a $17 buyback while those that played by the rules are getting punished with with a $12 stock and huge losses?

I wonder if the "Select" customers are those that were originally told they had been allocated 0 shares only to find out later they had actually been allocated some number of shares?[/quote]


Am wondering the same. If its for any other reason that would be like admitting something has gone wrong wouldn't it ?

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 10:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Does anyone have a link to this PR? I search everything and I couldn't find it.
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After they had kicked out Jeffry Citron, who, following his fraud conviction, then went to run........ Vonage.

You can completely understand the concern, although I presume that investors in Vonage did know about Citron's previous convictions and life ban from dealings with Stock Exchange brokers.
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trillian wrote:
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Is that way it sold for 1.3 billion?


After they had kicked out Jeffry Citron, who, following his fraud conviction, then went to run........ Vonage.

You can completely understand the concern, although I presume that investors in Vonage did know about Citron's previous convictions and life ban from dealings with Stock Exchange brokers.


You use the word "fraud conviction" loosely.
I do not recall this ever happening.

It was a simple SEC civil penalty

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PostPosted: Tue May 30, 2006 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

gomo wrote:
Does anyone have a link to this PR? I search everything and I couldn't find it.


I can't find the release either but it was reported on CNBC this morning and they even showed a quote on the screen as they were reading it.
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It was a penalty imposed as part of a plea-bargain. But let's refresh ourselves of the facts:-

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Instead of using SOES for its lawful purpose -- to execute trades on behalf of individual investors -- defendants Sheldon Maschler, Citron, McCarty, and Erik Maschler engaged in a massive fraudulent scheme to execute millions of proprietary trades on the SOES system. From 1995 through March 1998, Datek Securities executed approximately 12 million SOES trades, over 30 percent of all SOES trades.

To hide their proprietary trading, defendants Sheldon Maschler, Citron, McCarty, and Erik Maschler established dozens of nominee accounts, and paid nominees a guaranteed and fixed rate of return in exchange for the use of their identities and complete discretionary trading authority.

From 1993 to 1994, at the direction of Sheldon Maschler, Citron, McCarty, and Erik Maschler, Datek Securities employees manually allocated Datek Securities' trades among accounts after the close of the market. Beginning in early 1994, the unlawful allocation process was automated and carried out through a sophisticated software program developed for the firm and known as "Wire." Wire dramatically enhanced defendants' ability to conceal their proprietary SOES trading. The software was ultimately refined to allocate trades among nominee customer accounts as the trades occurred.


http://ftp.sec.gov/litigation/litreleases/lr17929.htm

That's the man running your company.

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It was a simple SEC civil penalty


Well, if you like. But I would bear in mind the facts of the entire case as listed above by official source.
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