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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 3:56 pm    Post subject: Be honest -- Why did you make your conditional offer? Reply with quote Back to top

Okay, I've lurked on this board for the last few days. I am a Vonage subscriber who made a small conditional offer and got squeezed out. Yes that hurt, but hey that's the way you play the game.

After watching the stock and the forum today, here's my comment. If you bought at $14.49, the day's low, you should be smiling now you're making money. AND, if you sold at $14.49 then bought your stock back at that price -- you're earning your loss back.

We made a conditional offer because we believe in residential Voip. We believe in Vonage.

I started testing residential Voip gateways for associates 5 years ago. (No I'm not a Vonage employee.) My interest in Voip has a lot to do with all the 'dark fiber' planted in this country. IF you view broadband as a utility. Then every product or service created that utilizes broadband is an opportunity.


So why did you invest? To flip the stock and make a quick buck or because you believe in the company, the product, the service?
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I invested in Vonage for the same reasons that I invested in all of the companies in my portfolio. To make money. I had a opening for a speculative stock and the opportunity to get in at the IPO made it an easier decision.

I've stated here a couple of times now... I'm holding this stock until the end of the silent period and to give the company a chance to put out a 10-Q after going public to see what they are going to do to compete in this space. I feel that Mr. Citron and company will have to do something to counter all of the negative press and cuts in pricing.

I've been a Vonage customer since the early days and I belive in what this company is doing. I've not used the service in over a year because I moved to an area that does not have broadband service and my Satellite connection won't support Voip because of the LAG time. I have however kept my account open so as to keep my phone number and to have calls forwarded to my landline.

Everyone who is still holding... Hang in there! Stand firm, it'll get better.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

They say a long term investment is a short term investment gone bad, and I think there is a lot of truth to that.

Obviously anyone who bought Vonage did so hoping that they would make money. Many IPO's have given fantastic first day returns, while it is very unusual to see a drop as substantial as what Vonage saw today.

Even if people were not planning to sell the stock right away, it is very hard to look at a large loss in your account, and it does take a strong belief in a company to try to ride out a drop like what we saw today.

My guess is that a lot of Vonage customers took a shot buying some of the stock hoping it would get a nice initial upswing, and chances are many of these people did not consider the chance that it would go like it did today.

Although I personally think Vonage was way overpriced at the IPO price, and that it probably still is, I wish anyone who still hold the stock the best of luck. My gut feeling is that tomorrow will be an upday for Vonage, although I would not be surprised to see the stock go lower over time.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:41 pm    Post subject: Make some cash Reply with quote Back to top

I am not a big stock market guy. All my investments are in my deferred compensation plan through work. I also have a good pension. So i do not really trade stock to build a portfolio for the future.

I bought these shares cause i thought that there may have been a chance to make sone quick cash. I was never in it for the long haul. I have other things that my money should be tied up in. Who ever thought that the stock would tank on the first 20 seconds of the trading.

So i was in it for just some quick cash.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My plan when I made my Vonage offer was to be in the stock for the long term. I would have, however, taken advantage of a spike in the price today to sell part of my holdings. As things went I took advantage of the drop to purchase additional shares. Average cost now $15.53.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 6:56 pm    Post subject: Glad to hear it Reply with quote Back to top

Im glad to hear that you took advantge of the drop in price to buy more shares. You obviously use stock as an investment for you. People criticize for people who bought and got out when it dropped. Yes i dropped out but like i said my investements are not in stock. My current investment is putting an addition onto my house (realestate very rarely drops in value). So im glad that you took advantage of this.

But people should not be criticized for dropping out when it took a dive.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:41 pm    Post subject: No Criticism Reply with quote Back to top

I didn't/don't want to sound critical of anyone. I just thought it would be interesting to discuss the motivations for investing via the pre IPO conditional offer channel.

There will numerous reasons to invest or not to invest.

In a number of the negative articles, the analysts pointed out that Vonage might never show a profit. They also commented on the competitive market. In my experience all "ether" based services have to live with the potential of being cannibalized by the companies from which they buy access.

When I read the first prospectus I might have been more gungho had I seen mention of Vonage entering into cobranding agreements with cable companies. So might have the institutional investors.

As I said earlier, I believe in the technology. I know they may tank in the long run. I know that another company may come along and outperform purely because they "learned" from the mistakes of Vonage. I hope not.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 7:49 pm    Post subject: Historically Reply with quote Back to top

You have to look historically. Most IPO's dont tank the first trade out of the box. That is why i took the chance. If it woul have went up just a bit i would have been happy and i would have cashed out and taken my small profit.

Who would really have know that it would have tanked.

I have said earlier the stock market is no different than going to a casino and putting your money on Black.

I read up so much when we were given the opportinity to buy shares that i actually pulled my offer back about a dozen times. Because i read so much bad stuff. But i went back to history and i said that there is a small chance that it will tank. Obviously the chance was much bigger.

I was hoping for the 10-15% rise and that was it.

Would have been a homerun if it took off like Google did, but that would have been a true dream.

Tomorrow if i was afforded the opportunity to get in on another IPO i would probably do it again.
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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Historically Reply with quote Back to top

sgroi135 wrote:
Tomorrow if i was afforded the opportunity to get in on another IPO i would probably do it again.


There is an element of gambling in any IPO, and you are right that oftentimes the first day an IPO will trade higher (even if the company and its fundamentals might not be all that great).

While I feel the IPO priced Vonage too high, I was surprised to see the extent of todays drop, and I found it very unusual that there was pretty much no chance for investors to get out of the stock during the day without taking a loss.

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PostPosted: Wed May 24, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: I agree Reply with quote Back to top

I have traded stock in the past and i have made money and lost some. So this was not my first venture in trading.

I do feel bad for some people who stepped into this for their first time. I would have to think that MOST people who took part in this IPO felt that it would go up. People who are not into the stocks always here on the news about the IPO that HIT THE MOON and went off the charts ( ie, google).

There was no chance of getting out without a loss. Only holding and hoping will get you back outta the black.

When the stock dropped i put in a sell at 17.50 hoping that it would come back and i would just get out. But that never happened. It plummited and then i just dumped and went with a market sell, which i know is taboo.

But had to do it.
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