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Godwin's Law in 8 posts. That's got to be some kind of Vonage-Forum.com record.


Never heard of Godwin's Law, this my gut feeling about the status of our country.

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Never heard of Godwin's Law, this my gut feeling about the status of our country.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law (might have to cut 'n paste that one)

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I'm not big on conspiracy theories and I don't have anything to hide (phone call record related), but it does seem to set a bad precident in a string of bad precidents being set.

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I don't care if I am asking my girlfriend to pick up something at the grocery store. The government has absolutely no rights to listen in. Maybe you don't care if they eavesdrop on you; but most people including me would be pissed off.

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I don't care if I am asking my girlfriend to pick up something at the grocery store. The government has absolutely no rights to listen in. Maybe you don't care if they eavesdrop on you; but most people including me would be pissed off.

Alright, hang on now. This is going off course a bit. The NSA isn't listening in on every American's phone conversations. They asked for the call records; probably so they can feed them into a database and cross reference people making calls to specific international numbers that have been identified as having terrorist ties. Maybe not the best way to go about what they're trying to do, but certainly not as sinister as what you have implied here.

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That's exactly what it is. "Records" doesn't mean entire voice conversations. Jesus, if a survey company was doing this, with just numbers, no one would worry.

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The point is that the *NSA* is doing something illegal.
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The point is that the *NSA* is doing something illegal.

What is the NSA doing that is illegal?

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PostPosted: Fri May 12, 2006 10:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The NSA is not doing anything illegal. You may not like it, but it is not illegal. The "Stored Communications Act" allows the seizing of many types of communication records. The act defined cases of emergency that need to be interpreted -- and that is the issue.

Personally, I think the U.S. Government should be using the technology they developed to link expected terrorists to other people and see if a pattern exists. That is what they have said they are doing with the records.

When someone gets arrested for talking to someone the government does like, please let me know. I'll put money on the fact that I probably don't like them either!

Stop whining, and start calling people so the NSA can have records to search...

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If you have nothing to hide I'll give you a site where you can post all your Credit Card numbers, Social Security number and passwords!

It is not a case of nothing to hide but a freedom from being spied on by our own government. Maybe you trust everyone in government not to misuse your personal information, but I can think of many in the current administration that I would rather see in prison than in a position of leadership. Come to think of it some of them are well on their way already. Evil or Very Mad
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