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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 9:04 am    Post subject: Vonage voicemail advertising? Grr. Reply with quote Back to top

I've had two emails from Vonage about upgrading my service to premium at whatever this offer is they've got now, which I don't want to do.

Then on top of a load of solicitation crap (one or two empty long voicemails every day) I've got from MCI recently, I just got a 'junk' voicemail from Vonage.

Bah, I'm just ****, but it's a bit annoying.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Look at it this way, Vonage is showing that they care, and
want to make sure you know it.

Over and Over again.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I already have the unlimited service and on the flip side I was sure happy to get the email that they were lowering my bill. that has never happend in the past from any company that I have done business with. It was always up to you to find out there was a better rate or plan. I wish every company would call me or email me with a better deal than I have now.

you can forward all your emails to me at my address. I will enjoy reading every one of them. I bet you hope they call you when the unlimited calling reaches $15.00.
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PostPosted: Thu May 27, 2004 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If you ask Vonage to stop spamming/junk emailing you and calling you, Im sure they would stop. If they dont then they would be only contradicting their spamming policy
email them at customercare@vonage.com and tell them what you think
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 2:22 pm    Post subject: Vonage = Spammer Reply with quote Back to top

Hi,

I canceled my Vonage service last week....As of being a web server admin I do not want to do business with spammers..
Someone on this form suggesting to ask them to remove you from their list.....Hey who has time to deal with each spammer...But yes I do asked Vonage not to spam me...

I receive at least one spam email everyday from Vonage...It is a third party company do the dirty work for them...
I hope All IP range of Vonage will be blocked soon...........


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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Vonage = Spammer Reply with quote Back to top

timus wrote:
Hi,

I canceled my Vonage service last week....As of being a web server admin I do not want to do business with spammers..
Someone on this form suggesting to ask them to remove you from their list.....Hey who has time to deal with each spammer...But yes I do asked Vonage not to spam me...

I receive at least one spam email everyday from Vonage...It is a third party company do the dirty work for them...
I hope All IP range of Vonage will be blocked soon...........


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So you think that Vonage provides their customer list to a third-party and pays them to email you asking you to "switch to Voip" without ever mentioning you'd be switching to Vonage? That's probably the dumbest marketing campaign of all time.

Just because Vonage's address is listed at the bottom doesn't mean it is from Vonage. Considering you call yourself a web server admin, I'd think you would know better. Vonage would just send you an email directly, and they would certainly use their brand-name in the marketing. That happens all the time with Vonage, which is exactly why they have the "spam-police@vonage.com" account.

A couple years ago, I was a domain admin/Exchange admin for one of the "Big 4" US accounting firms (still work there, but in a better position). That address is actually on a list of "unwanted domains" that do spam. Mesa Media is also associated with EK-Post, and it's more likely that somewhere along the way (not necessarily the Vonage user agreement), you inadvertently accepted an agreement where you authorized the release of your information to third-party agents.

Oh...and hoping "all IP range of Vonage will be blocked soon" is a nice touch.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 7:13 am    Post subject: Re: Vonage = Spammer Reply with quote Back to top

ToddlerTN wrote:
timus wrote:
Hi,

I canceled my Vonage service last week....As of being a web server admin I do not want to do business with spammers..
Someone on this form suggesting to ask them to remove you from their list.....Hey who has time to deal with each spammer...But yes I do asked Vonage not to spam me...

I receive at least one spam email everyday from Vonage...It is a third party company do the dirty work for them...
I hope All IP range of Vonage will be blocked soon...........


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So you think that Vonage provides their customer list to a third-party and pays them to email you asking you to "switch to Voip" without ever mentioning you'd be switching to Vonage? That's probably the dumbest marketing campaign of all time.

Not only that, being a web admin, this user should know how readily available and INEXPENSIVE Anti-spam filters cost these days!
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 28, 2005 11:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Vonage = Spammer Reply with quote Back to top

DID I TELL YOU that Vonage provided those emails..? Exclamation NO..
I just do not want to deal with spammers......

Accept it or not Vonage is spamming.......


Yes I received 3 more spams today..........

Here is the header of the email

Received: from SMTP32-FWD by dominor.com
(SMTP32) id A06980332; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:22:45
Received: from mail221.upadd.info [209.216.100.221] by d2.us
(SMTPD32-8.00) id A80EC30020; Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:22:38 -0600
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 23:18:29 -0500
From: "vonage" <vonage@emailaxe.info>
To: no_name@dominor.com
Subject: Make free calls -- no contract
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Mailer: hnu v8.3.2.1000.29407728
Reply-To: r.2339.29407728@emailaxe.info
Message-Id: <20050328195001.gddvyezcof@emailaxe.info>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_6e3fe978d4453e11cdcfe19ef5032e64"
Status: U
X-UIDL: 410569128



And the text from its Body ..They also have a big picture...

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If this company does not affiliate with Vonage, how come this company is even providing its mailing address, and do not hide its identity..........Why do not Vonage sue them ....?

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Running an anti spam applications...? Let me enlighting you a little bit..
Anti spam systems work with word filtering and black list databases like spamcop, spamhaus etc...
If a spamer use a fresh IP# to spam...and if they use a whole picture like Vonage, then your anti spam application is useless..

Plus all anti spam systems use your server resources...

Should I pay extra to get this system, spent my time to configurate it and run it and use my resources to protect myself from Vonage ?
(btw..I already have anti-spam system on my servers...)

Vonage is spamming my business email accounts..It is the cheapest and most unethical way to promote your business..

You can defend them as much as you want....But they are spamming.....I already passed all those spams to Vonage..still receiving same spams...Smile

Some readings...Not hard to find bunch of them online..

[Vonage] WARNING: Vonage SELLS EMAIL ADDRESSES
http://www.broadbandreports.com/forum/remark,12968443~root=voip~mode=flat

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http://andyabramson.blogs.com/voipwatch/2005/02/vonage_spams.html

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Get ready for vam, or voice spam
http://www.engadget.com/entry/3340347581402225/


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ToddlerTN wrote:
timus wrote:
Hi,

I canceled my Vonage service last week....As of being a web server admin I do not want to do business with spammers..
Someone on this form suggesting to ask them to remove you from their list.....Hey who has time to deal with each spammer...But yes I do asked Vonage not to spam me...

I receive at least one spam email everyday from Vonage...It is a third party company do the dirty work for them...
I hope All IP range of Vonage will be blocked soon...........


A D V E R T I S E M E N T

This e-offer was sent to you as a permission-based subscriber of:

Mesa Media, 405 S. Dale Mabry Hwy., #336
Tampa, FL 33609
We will bring you valuable e-offers on the products and services that interest you most.
If you do not wish to receive future e-offers, please Visit Us Here to change your preferences.

So you think that Vonage provides their customer list to a third-party and pays them to email you asking you to "switch to Voip" without ever mentioning you'd be switching to Vonage? That's probably the dumbest marketing campaign of all time.

Just because Vonage's address is listed at the bottom doesn't mean it is from Vonage. Considering you call yourself a web server admin, I'd think you would know better. Vonage would just send you an email directly, and they would certainly use their brand-name in the marketing. That happens all the time with Vonage, which is exactly why they have the "spam-police@vonage.com" account.

A couple years ago, I was a domain admin/Exchange admin for one of the "Big 4" US accounting firms (still work there, but in a better position). That address is actually on a list of "unwanted domains" that do spam. Mesa Media is also associated with EK-Post, and it's more likely that somewhere along the way (not necessarily the Vonage user agreement), you inadvertently accepted an agreement where you authorized the release of your information to third-party agents.

Oh...and hoping "all IP range of Vonage will be blocked soon" is a nice touch.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 3:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

What am I missing here? Besides an email header showing a 'from' address of "vonage @ emailaxe. info" (spacing intentional on my part) I see nothing to indicate the email was from Vonage. The email address is not from a vonage.com domain, the mailing address is in Florida, and Vonage is in New Jersey. These emails are possibly coming from someone who is trying to make money by having people sign up for Vonage through a "referral" link.
It's just like the spam we all get for Viagra and Cialis. It doesn't come from the drug maker, but from someone trying to make money selling products produced by others.
Personally, I've been using Vonage since June of last year, and I have yet to receive any kind of spam referring to Voip of any brand.

(BTW "timus", it is not called "vam". The popular term is "spit", Spam over Internet Telephony)

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Medic:

(BTW "timus", it is not called "vam". The popular term is "spit", Spam over Internet Telephony)
I AM NOT the one calling "vam" ........

ANY DECENT Company out there will not affiliate itself with a spamming company....

We all know that Vonage is spamming.....

I do not think Vonage is that stupid to use its own domain name.. come one even the smallest spammers do not use their own domains and IPs...

You need to understand that I am trying to make a case against all spamers...

You guys are defending a spamer or a company who works with spamers

I received 3 more same spam to my mail box from same company...

I think Vonage should be the last company to affiliate itself with spaming...

Why ? You will see soon........


Thanks





Medic63 wrote:
What am I missing here? Besides an email header showing a 'from' address of "vonage @ emailaxe. info" (spacing intentional on my part) I see nothing to indicate the email was from Vonage. The email address is not from a vonage.com domain, the mailing address is in Florida, and Vonage is in New Jersey. These emails are possibly coming from someone who is trying to make money by having people sign up for Vonage through a "referral" link.
It's just like the spam we all get for Viagra and Cialis. It doesn't come from the drug maker, but from someone trying to make money selling products produced by others.
Personally, I've been using Vonage since June of last year, and I have yet to receive any kind of spam referring to Voip of any brand.

(BTW "timus", it is not called "vam". The popular term is "spit", Spam over Internet Telephony)
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