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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:14 am    Post subject: Advice on the best set up for network Reply with quote Back to top

1. High Ridge, MO (sub. of st. louis, mo)
2. Charter Communications/ Cable
3. 3 meg/ 512
4. Don't have it with me but it is the device charter give for business customers
5. RTP 3000
6. Modem --->vonage Adapter ---> PC
8. Haven't ran the test call to boston yet...

I have an older BEFW11S4 (it is not the 2.4 version it is older than that)

What i would like to do i continue to have my wireless AP. But would like to know which device i should put first, the RPT 300 or the Linksys BEFW11S4 wireless AP?

Initially when i got the RPT 300 my network was set up :

modem ---> BEFW11S4 ---> pc's..
So i followed the intstuctions and placed the RTP 300 behind the BEFW11S4 as followed...

modem ---> BEFW11S4 (pc's were plugged in the to four ports here) ----> RTP 300 ---> phone

this set up worked but i need to change the ip address on the rtp 300 so that i could access the device... i changed it to meet my network 192.168.1.x...

But then i get no dial tone. so i then just plugged things in modem---> rtp 300 ---> pc / phone and it works...

looking for suggestions... do you need to plug the cable connecting the BEFW11S4 to the rtp in a certain port? Do you recommend fronting the network with the BEFW11S4 or the rtp and putting the BEFW11S4 behind the rtp 300?

Thanks for your thoughts...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'd most certainly put the other router out front, and make the RTP300 a Vonage device only.

Of the three options in my article, I generally recommend #1.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

In senerio one do you recommend pluging the RTP 300 in a specific port on the BEFW11S4 ? Also if i remember right this is the set up i did initially but i was of course not able to access the admin page of the rtp 300 so i then change the ip of the rtp 300 to meet my network so i could access the page and that is when it seem to not work?

So i guess the question is in senorio one do i just not change the ip and not access the admin console of the rtp 300?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The RTP300 has two IP addresses.

One defaults to 192.168.15.1 - that is the IP address you would use to access the RTP300 when plugged into any of its LAN ports.

The other is served up to it by whatever is plugged into the WAN/Internet port. If your other router defaults to 192.168.1.1, then this address will likely be 192.168.1.x where x ranges from 2 to 254.

The two addresses should never be in the same "subnet" (starting with the first three numbers, such as 192.168.15). Doing this could cause major routing issues.



(refer to my diagram above)

In order to access the RTP300's administration pages from any of the computers hooked up to your "Primary Router", you'd have to turn on remote administration on the RTP300, then figure out what IP address your "Primary Router" assigned to the RTP300, and access it by typing http://(that ip address):8080 into the web browser. Of course, this means that anyone on the "Primary Router"'s network (wired or wireless) can get access to the login page of your Vonage RTP300. It also means that when that IP address changes (which they tend to from time to time), you'll have to figure out the new one to get to the RTP300.

On the other hand, on the rare occasions you need to administer the RTP300, you could simply plug a computer into one of its LAN ports and go to http://192.168.15.1 then when you are done, move the computer back to your "Primary Router".

Once you get the RTP300 up and running, it should be VERY rare that you need to log into it. It should simply connect to the Internet, provision the phone line, and do its thing. Since it isn't doing any routing or heavy lifting, it should just stay up and running for weeks and months at a time with little to no intervention on your part.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

putting the rtp 300 behind the main router do i need to open any ports on the main router?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 12:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

batescr wrote:
putting the rtp 300 behind the main router do i need to open any ports on the main router?


No, not usually. The RTP300 will open the ports it needs, so the NAT on the other router will keep them opened up. Unless something is deeply bizarre about your router (and yours is not an unusual one, just an older one), the RTP300 should initiate all the connections it needs from within the firewall.

My WRTP54G (the same as your RTP300 but with wireless) has never needed any ports forwarded.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I am in the exact same situation as the OP with the existing BEFW11S4 (mine is v4), but I have the following question:

Since the BEFW11S4 does not have manual QoS settings and I gather that the automatic QoS is not very well implemented, doesn't it make sense to connect the Vonage router to the cable modem and then hang the BEFW11S4 off one of the Vonage router ports? i.e. -

Cable Modem
-> Vonage router
---> phone line
---> BEFW11S4
------> Existing network

I am probably wrong, but I would think that this would allow the Vonage router to give QoS priority to the phone line and give lower priority to the rest of the internet traffic. I understand that the Vonage routers do not make great routers, but I would think that they would be able to handle one port and a phone line fairly efficiently.

This presumption is based on my conceptual understanding (or lack thereof) of how these devices work, and I really ask this as more of a learning question than some sort of statement of fact. So please forgive me if I've misunderstodd some basic premise of how these devices work.

Thanks,
Thomas
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

tpspeier -

You are correct, in theory. If the QoS worked at all in the Vonage routers, then it would most certainly be better to put the Vonage box out front (and, in fact, with most routers if you turn off DHCP on the other router and run a cable from a LAN port of the RTP300 to a LAN port on the other wireless router, you get one seamless network with wireless AND Vonage all in one network). That probably works about as well as putting the Vonage router behind the other one, assuming your needs are minimal.

However, I have yet to hear a thunderous success story about how the RTP300/WRTP54G provided excellent QoS under any kind of strain, and plenty of gripes about how it doesn't. That, coupled with my own personal experience (and the resulting hair loss from self-extraction in the process) has led me to the conclusion that the RTP300/WRTP54G are GREAT Vonage devices, reportedly the best, but only adequate consumer routers, suitable for situations where you have plenty of bandwidth and don't tend to use it all.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm on vacation here in Florida this week, and I brought my WRTP54G with me as my only router. It's working great, but I don't need QoS since my father runs a 512/3000 connection and the only computer competing with my Vonage line while I'm talking is my company laptop, which doesn't pull a lot of bandwidth.

If your needs are minimal, such as one or two casual surfing computers, then the RTP300/WRTP54G are good routers. However, whenever you can put them BEHIND a different router to save their valuable memory and processor for providing better voice, I recommend doing so.

But, in a light use situation, you can put it either way, really. If the demands are light, cable it either way you prefer and you'll probably get equally good results.


Of course, the ideal, if you need QoS, is to get a router that has it, and configure it properly. Smile

http://vonage.nmhoy.net/qos.html

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy -

Thanks alot for your detailed reply. That helped my understanding alot. Enjoy your vacation. Very Happy

Thomas
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

to completely reset the rtp 300 to factory defualts like it came out of the box, what do you need to do?

I have seen press and hold the reset button for 5 seconds. There is also the tab on the web interface....
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