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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:02 pm    Post subject: wiring Reply with quote Back to top

My former land line phone connection provider was TELUS. The same company (TELUS) I am using as my internet provider (High speed connection - DSL). I am getting internet connection trough the same wiring as dial signal. Recently I was disconnected from TELUS dial signal and they put $15 additional charge on my net connection, so I am loosing whole profit advantage from switching from TELUS to Vonage. However, how can I get Vonage dial signal in to my home phone line circuit, if I can't follow instruction in Vonage manual - disconnecting phone line from public network, because of disruption of internet connection.

Thank you for your advice.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 3:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You need to isolate your DSL from the rest of your wiring.

Not knowing your exact setup, it is hard to say.

But in many situations, I would think the best approach would be to run a new dedicated line from the Telco Network Interface to where your DSL modem is and hook the DSL modem to that.

Then disconnect your other (existing) wiring from the Telco Network Interface and you should then be in a position to connect the Vonage adapter to any of the jacks and phones to the others.

Hope that helps.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 10:41 am    Post subject: wiring 2 Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for you effort. Your suggestion is what I was afraid from. I check my wiring again and there is no other choice, but rewiring additional circiuts for my internet connection. Probably cheapest way how to do that, should be if I connect to main computer wireless router then to pull wires for rest of my home internet network (for 2 additional computers). If you have better idea please let me know.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 14, 2006 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

At this time I am waiting for the transition from Bell to Vonage. In my simple thinking, when a wire is taken off terminal ANYWHERE, the current can't flow. Therefore, instead of disconnecting the four wires at the street box end, I want to disconnect them in the house at the incoming terminals and cap them properly and safely.

I don't know much about telephone wiring, but I think that this way I will isolate my house from Bell just as effectively as doing it in the street box.

My question is: Am I correct about this or there is more to it?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Simple my man very simple.

To isolate the rest of your home phone network from the external one you will in essence need 2 networks.

There will be a line coming into your home for the internet(DSL) this line right now is connected to your entire phone system.

Step 1: Isolate External Network Connection

find the single line coming into your home before it branches off anywhere (ie in the walls) This line is currently connected to everything. Isolate this line by separating all of the connections to the jacks in your home. (after doing this do not connect it to any other lines in your home- THIS IS MODEM AND MODEM ONLY LINE NOW(external))

Step 2:Create Internal Network

Using simple logic create a non looped network of the exsisting lines you may need a few patches here and there to make sure it all goes together nicely. But In the end all the wires to all the jacks (OTHER THAN THE ONE FOR THE MODEM) in your home should be connected together and dont mix up those wires Blue to Blue - Red to Red etc etc.

Step 3: Wire this new phone line network (Internal) into the phone jack on your Vonage box. And TADAAAA isolated network - your phones should now have a tastey dial tone.... that is if your internet is working Razz

BTW i dont really know your whole setup at home ie if you have a basement or how the wiring works within your home.... But usually if you do have a basement all of your wires are visible from this point. You do not need to go into the walls and pull wires.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi Vacsls:

We have a similar but not exact situation with Telus DSL & Vonage, but it should work for you.

In our situation we had a 'home' & 'home office' line from Telus & DSL (on the 'home' line) from Telus but converted the 'home office' line to Vonage. Since the DSL router is near our 'home office' phones that wiring was easy, but we also wanted to take advantage of the 'free' Vonage longdistance so piggybacked the home phone wiring to setup a few other house connections for the Vonage line.

Since your Telus 'wiring block' would have been setup for 2 telephone lines (so 4 sets of 'posts') with only 2 active. So the block (which is likely in power panel) will have the wires to all of you phone outlets on 2 of the 'posts' and all of the other 2 posts free (with the Red/Green wires the Telus line & the Black/Yellow one unconnected).

So what you really need to do is issolate the Telus DSL line & your DSL model connection from the rest of the phone jacks & you Vonage phone jack.

The proper way to do this is keep your Telus DSL line & your DSL model connection where they are & move all of the other pairs to the unused set of posts on the wiring block and then connect the Vonage line to this set of posts as well. Its the inner 2 wires of the phone cable going to Vonage phone port & you'll need a line tester to make sure you get the polarity correct. (But the 'quick' way would be to just move Telus DSL line & your DSL model connection to the unused ports and connect the Vonage line to where your Telus DSL line had been).

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a) if you do this & later move, put the wires back otherwise the people moving in will have problems getting their phones to work from any line but the one where your DLS modem was connected b) you'll no longer need the DSL line issolators on the phone jacks getting the Vonage connections
c) if this sounds 'too complicated' don't wing it & hope its works, while its not 'rocket science' its does take some experience in doing cross connects with either telephone or LAN cabeling

Hope this helps,

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2006 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Good input. Maybe I can add a little bit to it because my incoming wiring may be different from others.

In the case of townhouses I found not one but two boxes (about 4"X2.5"X3") attached to the outside wall of my house. One serves as a junction box for other units with three conduits going underground. This box has the worst spaghetti of wires in the Milky Way.

The other box has one incoming cable from that junction box and one outgoing cable also diving underground, I figure into my basement. This cable has 6 conductors, two of which are floating and four terminated in that box. At the other end, in the basement, two other conductors are floating and four terminated. By their colours I could easily establish that only two conductors are actually used. One of them is terminated in the basement by a splice and continues to my security box and the other terminates at the "push-and-pinch" flimsy exposed terminal strip.
This "revelation" allowed me to determine that disconnecting the two active conductors in the outside box will isolate my house telephone network. I will have to test my security system.

I'm certain that this wiring, although working correctly, is not up to the wiring standards. Contractors and installers take numerous shortcuts on labour and material to save every penny they possibly can, even if it violates these standards. I don't have much to say for the inspectors either.
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