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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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In the results of IPCONFIG /ALL, there should be a list of DNS servers. Should be right under "DHCP Server" and right before "Lease Obtained", near the bottom of the data.

If you see one of them, and it is 192.168.15.1 (or whatever the IP address of your router is), then your computer is trying to use the Proxy server in your router and given the quality of the RTP300's DNS proxy, you may have problems.

If your PC already has "real" looking DNS servers in that section, then your computer is already going directly to DNS servers to get its data, and the RTP300 is probably not causing your problem.

You can also temporarily test the solution by going into TCP/IP settings for your network connection, and changing the DNS Setting of "Obtain Ausotmatically" to "Use the following servers" and keying 4.2.2.4 in the first server, and 4.2.2.5 in the second. That has the effect of forcing your client to bypass the RTP300 DNS proxy.


NateHoy, I am very excited.

I had only one DNS server, and it was 192.168.15.1.

I then went into the TCP/IP settings and changed "Obtain Automatically" to "Use the following servers" and 4.2.2.4 and 4.2.2.5.

I then did a Google search that would give some Swedish pages, a sure "Server can't be found" trick, and so far, all pages have shown up, even when it took some time. No error message! I am holding my breath, I'm trembling.

First, I clicked "Use the following IP address" by mistake. I do not know if that changed anything in the DNS section below, but when I looked there, "Use the following DNS server addresses:" was checked, but there were nothing in the "Preferred DNS server" and "Alternate DNS server". If it had been like that all the time, perhaps it created some kind of conflict.

Well, I will let you know how it goes. Haven't breathed yet!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

OK. This means that the setting never made it from your RTP300 to your PC. Why? I don't know. But let's go through it again (only because you don't want to have to go through the pain of setting the DNS servers manually for every client that uses the RTP300, trust me. Been there. Wink ). Some devices, like ReplayTV, can't even accept manual DNS server addresses.

1. In the RTP300 (I'm assuming firmware 1.00.60) make sure that "DNS Proxy" is set to "Disable" on the main setup screen.

2. On the same screen, set "4.2.2.6" in DNS1: and "4.2.2.5" in DNS2: (I'm using different, but working, numbers to make sure your PC is taking the new settings).

3. Save the settings (click "Save Settings") on the router.

4. Reset your PC to "Obtain DNS Automatically"

5. Go to a command line and type "IPCCONFIG /RENEW" (or go into "Network Connections" in the Control Panel and right click on your network connection and select "REPAIR", which does basically the same thing).

6. Go to a command line and type IPCONFIG /ALL (or double-click on the connection in the Network Connections list, then click the "Support" tab and the "Details" button). Verify that your DNS Servers are now 4.2.2.6 and 4.2.2.5

From there, you can keep using the 4.2.2.x addresses, or you can get your ISP's DNS servers and enter those. ISP-supplied DNS servers tend to be faster (since they are closer to you).

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
OK. This means that the setting never made it from your RTP300 to your PC. Why? I don't know. But let's go through it again (only because you don't want to have to go through the pain of setting the DNS servers manually for every client that uses the RTP300, trust me. Been there. Wink ). Some devices, like ReplayTV, can't even accept manual DNS server addresses.

1. In the RTP300 (I'm assuming firmware 1.00.60) make sure that "DNS Proxy" is set to "Disable" on the main setup screen.

2. On the same screen, set "4.2.2.6" in DNS1: and "4.2.2.5" in DNS2: (I'm using different, but working, numbers to make sure your PC is taking the new settings).

3. Save the settings (click "Save Settings") on the router.

4. Reset your PC to "Obtain DNS Automatically"

5. Go to a command line and type "IPCCONFIG /RENEW" (or go into "Network Connections" in the Control Panel and right click on your network connection and select "REPAIR", which does basically the same thing).

6. Go to a command line and type IPCONFIG /ALL (or double-click on the connection in the Network Connections list, then click the "Support" tab and the "Details" button). Verify that your DNS Servers are now 4.2.2.6 and 4.2.2.5

From there, you can keep using the 4.2.2.x addresses, or you can get your ISP's DNS servers and enter those. ISP-supplied DNS servers tend to be faster (since they are closer to you).


Okay, NateHoy, I will certainly do as you recommend. However, my wife uses IE, and do not have any problems (so I had planned to install FF on her newer computer and check if she had the same problems). But, I will keep the settings I have for a day or two to see how it really works, and so that I can compare with the settings you recommend (which should havethe same effect, but one never knows Smile

Maybe a silly question, but do ISPs usually post their DNS server designations on thwir websites, or do you have to call them for it?

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Generally, the DNS server information is not published. Assuming you are on cable, your best bet is probably to hook a computer up directly to your cable modem (most ISP's allow you to change devices as long as the cable modem is turned off for 60 seconds or so), then run IPCONFIG /ALL at the command line and that will get you the DNS numbers.

If your wife's computer is working fine,then I'd leave it alone. The WAF (*) is important, and hardcoding the addresses for your machine is not THAT big a deal, as long as you keep that in mind for any future devices.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
Generally, the DNS server information is not published. Assuming you are on cable, your best bet is probably to hook a computer up directly to your cable modem (most ISP's allow you to change devices as long as the cable modem is turned off for 60 seconds or so), then run IPCONFIG /ALL at the command line and that will get you the DNS numbers.

If your wife's computer is working fine,then I'd leave it alone. The WAF (*) is important, and hardcoding the addresses for your machine is not THAT big a deal, as long as you keep that in mind for any future devices.

(* WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor). Wink


WAF is everything, man!

Well, I will still, in a day or two, make the changes. If my wife's computer shows problems, I can always go back. My guess is that here Internet connections will work better.

Thank you for all your help!

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
The DNS Proxy on the RTP300 and WRTP54G is generally pretty weak. This is a pretty common symptom of that, and it's a common problem with those routers (I have a WRTP54G).

http://vonage.nmhoy.net/dnsproxy.html


Nate,

When I went to do this myself and entered my RTP300's IP addy of 192.168.15.1 in the URL window above, I couldn't access it. I kept getting the "Mywebsearch" page coming up or "page cannot be displayed."

Now I'm trying to figure out how the hell to access my RTP300, since I seem to be denied access to it.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
Generally, the DNS server information is not published. Assuming you are on cable, your best bet is probably to hook a computer up directly to your cable modem (most ISP's allow you to change devices as long as the cable modem is turned off for 60 seconds or so), then run IPCONFIG /ALL at the command line and that will get you the DNS numbers.

If your wife's computer is working fine,then I'd leave it alone. The WAF (*) is important, and hardcoding the addresses for your machine is not THAT big a deal, as long as you keep that in mind for any future devices.

(* WAF = Wife Acceptance Factor). Wink



Well, they actually are required to post their DNS server information in their domain registration. However, you may not necessarily be able to query those servers and they may not be the ones they ask their internal customers to use, but they are valid. The ones listed by the big ISPs generally are publically accessable though. Like MCI, that's who I use instead of the always unreliable Comcast servers.


Domain servers in listed order: Manage DNS

DNS1.MCI.COM 199.249.19.1
DNS2.MCI.COM 199.249.18.1
AUTH01.NS.UU.NET 198.6.1.81
AUTH50.NS.UU.NET 198.6.1.161
AUTH61.NS.UU.NET 198.6.1.182
AUTH200.NS.UU.NET 195.129.12.82
AUTH210.NS.UU.NET 195.129.12.74

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The "root" servers are fast, reliable, and more importantly for someone like me with no more than two brain cells to rub together, easy to remember. Wink

4.2.2.2
4.2.2.3
4.2.2.4
4.2.2.5
4.2.2.6

The only reason an ISP-supplied one is generally faster is that most ISP's distribute them around and keep active ones relatively close to their customers (to reduce their own load), plus there are fewer hops since they tend to be in-network.

But, more options = better. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

UMP25 wrote:
NateHoy wrote:
The DNS Proxy on the RTP300 and WRTP54G is generally pretty weak. This is a pretty common symptom of that, and it's a common problem with those routers (I have a WRTP54G).

http://vonage.nmhoy.net/dnsproxy.html


Nate,

When I went to do this myself and entered my RTP300's IP addy of 192.168.15.1 in the URL window above, I couldn't access it. I kept getting the "Mywebsearch" page coming up or "page cannot be displayed."

Now I'm trying to figure out how the hell to access my RTP300, since I seem to be denied access to it.


Saw your PM and replied, but in case someone else runs into it...

I'm going to take a wild guess that you may have disabled the DHCP server and not the DNS proxy. That's a guess, but if it's true the easy way back in is to set your computer's IP address to 192.168.15.30 or therabouts, then try accessing it again.

If all else fails, there's always the "ripcord" - press and hold the reset button for 30 seconds and the unit will reset to factory defaults. Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 11:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
The "root" servers are fast, reliable, and more importantly for someone like me with no more than two brain cells to rub together, easy to remember. Wink

4.2.2.2
4.2.2.3
4.2.2.4
4.2.2.5
4.2.2.6

The only reason an ISP-supplied one is generally faster is that most ISP's distribute them around and keep active ones relatively close to their customers (to reduce their own load), plus there are fewer hops since they tend to be in-network.

But, more options = better. Wink


Ok, but none of those are root servers, and you couldn't query one anyway. Well, you could, but it'll just tell you where down the tree to go.

EDIT: Ah, I read one of your other posts a little closer. Yes, in general responses from a DNS server within your own ISP may be a little faster, but it's so darn fast a user wouldn't be able to see a speed difference. I'm not saying you would want to use a DNS server in Japan, but you know what I mean. However, when you have an ISP like Comcast, you don't want to use their DNS no matter how fast you think it may be Wink.

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