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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

CRSharff wrote:
Well I can sure say that I am glad I made a thread here before I made a purchasing decision! Anyways the only reason I wanted only two components was because the current setup I have right now is driving my crazy. Its a really old modem then to a motorola vt1000 then to a BEFSR41 and it causes me masses of problems and I just want the least hassle and most stable setup I can get. I am constantly having the whole network just crash then I have echo problems and dropped phone calls and staticy/skippy calls on incoming calls (is that wierd)? But I think i will get that GL router and should I keep my vt1000 or is that outdated? Also I think I need to get a motorola SB5120 which I believe is the cause of this mess. What do you guys think?


I can't comment on the VT1000, the only thing I can say is that if it works well as a Vonage device, then keep it.

I also have an "old" cable modem - a Linksys BEFCMU10 V2, that is only capable of DOCSIS 1.0. Despite constant comments that Voip will not work on DOCSIS 1.0, rodents will chew my underwear while I am sleeping because I'm using a DOCSIS 1.0 modem, etc, it works great. Your mileage may, obviously, vary. My ISP uses funky Axxis gear, and they can't do upgrades to any but their own brand of modem, so maybe it just likes DOCSIS 1.0 modems.

I'd start with a zero-cost fix before you start throwing money at the problem (what can I say? I'm from New England, we're cheap!).

You may simply be able to put your BEFSR41 in front of the VT1000 and get decent performance. The BEFSR41 is a half decent router.

If you want wireless, then I'd say the WRT54GL with HyperWRT is an excellent choice. If you want a "step up", Linksys recently announced the WRTSL54GS, which features a USB port for Network Attached Storage, and now has aftermarket firmware available that makes it as powerful as the WRT54GL. It is also the same silver case as the RTP300/WRTP54G if you're into color coordination, and more bright blue lights means a higher chance of a small aircraft mistaking your house for a taxiway. Wink It's a few more bucks, though.

If you want to replace your VT1000, I'd currently recommend the RTP300, because it does have minimal routing capabilities if you want to take it on the road, and it shares the same Vonage circuitry as the WRTP54G, which I have and love (but ONLY as a Vonage device).

Decisions, decisions. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

CRSharff

I normally stay out of these discussions. There seems to be a lot of bad experiences around here with the WRTP54G. But before you make your purchasing decision, you should hear from someone who has a good experience with the product.

Back in June I decided to buy a WRTP54G to replace my old Linksys BEFW11S4 v2. The old router was "b" only and Vonage was offering a "G for free" promotion. By trading in my old router I could get the WRTP54G essentially for free, as long as I tried Vonage for 3 months. I figured in the worst case, Vonage wouldn't be suitable for me, I'd cancel the service, and get a 54MB upgrade for free out of the deal.

Well, I'm still a Vonage customer 9 months later. Very happy with both the hardware and the service. The only problem I experienced was the infamous "reverse echo" which afflicted some of the early firmware versions and is now fixed. The wireless router portion is solid as a rock for my purposes. The signal reaches all the way from my basement (where I put the router...those blinking lights gave me a headache Smile ) to the second floor of my house. My layout is like this:

1. Cable modem and router in the basement.
2. My notebook and a wireless printer in the 1st floor family room.
3. My desktop and my wife's notebook on the second floor (both wireless).
4. I also have an X-Box connected via a Powerline adapter to one of the router's ethernet ports.

The desktop on the second floor has a Belkin wireless card which shows consistent 95 - 100% signal strength. This is with the desktop at the opposite side of the house from the router and the signal having to travel through 2 floors.

The Speakeasy speed test consistently shows that I am getting close to the full bandwidth advertised by my ISP. You'll never get the full amount on a cable connection, since it is shared bandwidth. I am supposed to have 5M down and 2M up. The test shows consistently at LEAST 4.5M down and 1.6M up.

As far as load is concerned, I primarily use the connection for work (VPN connection using ATT) to monitor and administer servers. I also use Lotus Notes email, web, and I DO run uTorrent usually around 4 hours per evening. Never experienced any interference with voice quality or had to reboot the router due to running out of memory.

For the past few firmware releases, I have never had to do an unscheduled reboot of the router. It only reboots when Vonage downloads a new firmware release. (Both the router and cable modem are on a UPS so they survives power failures)

Maybe there are manufacturing difficulties with this model and I was just lucky enough to get one of the "good" ones. But in my experience this product is no worse than your typical consumer grade router. It is certainly equivalent to my old BEFW11S4 -- only faster.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

get rid of the BEFSR41....I struggled for months until I replaced it. In two states and two differnent ISP's I have had no problems since. I have been months with out rebooting.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:03 am    Post subject: Re: Best all in one router Reply with quote Back to top

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CRSharff wrote:
Hi guys I am looking for a good all in one router, I want it to have wireless also. I was looking at the WRT54GP2 but I dont know what to think of it. What are your guys suggestion. I only want two components: My Motorola SB5120 and then a router with Vonage in it.


"Good" is a relative term. If you want "a good router" with Wireless and Vonage, then the WRTP54G is a "good" router. It lacks working QoS, and can't handle loads BitTorrent or other P2P applications, but if you don't plan on uploading anything while you are on the phone, and you don't use your connection heavily, then the WRTP54G is a good router for a casual Internet user who wants a Vonage line.

If you want a router that will actually handle heavy loads, you won't find it in anything Vonage is going to ship you.

As UMP25 noted, I recommend a separate router. I wasted countless hours for months trying to get the WRTP54G working well on my meager 256k upload connection, only to eventually throw in the towel and buy a WRT54G (now known as the WRT54GL). My online life changed for the better instantly.

Once the poor little WRTP54G didn't have to do routing or wireless, I also discovered that it is a pretty impressive Vonage device. Calls are crystal-clear now that the entire processor and memory of the device are devoted to voice conversion.

Generally, I recommend the RTP300 now, as it is the same as the WRTP54G, except it lacks the wireless circuitry. I also recommend taking the RTP300 and immediately putting it behind a real router.

Why the RTP300? Because it is usually free after rebates, it's a solid performer Vonage-wise, and provides you with a half decent router you can use while traveling if necessary.

Plus, if your primary router toasts out, you can always use the RTP300 in a pinch. Wink


Hey everyone thanks for the great write ups, and even tho turbo53 gave me a little more hope I still want a fast connection that can handle bittorrent and has good QoS. Like I said before, I just wanted less components because that means less stuff to mess up and I'm sure thats easy to understand if you've had so many problems as I have had. Anyways this may be meant for a PM but I like Natehoys suggestion and wanted just a tad more info on what really to set up. Natehoy, so what I should set up is: my Coax going into my Motorola SB5102 and then from there to my ethernet to the RTP300 and then from that to a WRT54GL and then from the router to my computers. I dont really understand what it means to be behind or infront (actually I do but...) should Vonage be behind the router or another device that the router feeds (infront?) Thank you again for all your informative responses.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If you get a WRT54GL, it should go out front (connected to the Modem) so it handles all the traffic.



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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You know, Nate, despite my configuring the WRT54GL per your excellent suggestions, after looking at your schematic above, I think I've got my connections the other way around, meaning my cable modem's ethernet cable going to my RTP300, then the RTP's port 1 ethernet going to my WRT54GL's WAN input.

I'm not home now, so I can't doublecheck till later, but I believe I had set it up this way per my brother's suggestions. He's had Vonage longer than I (with no firmware upgrades or tweaking like I've done, though), and he said that this configuration was the only one that worked for him.

Now, before I get home and redo my setup, if I should, a question to ask you: based on your schematic above, will things run "better" for me than they already do? I ask because I admit I am not experiencing any real problems, but if it will improve things, particularly with respect to my computer Internet usage (upload speed, for example), I'll reconfigure things.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

2 things come to mind here, and they are in conflict.

1. The WRT54GL is a far better router than the RTP300, in my opinion, and you can't go wrong by taking load off the RTP300. In fact, in your current configuration, I would argue that the WRT54GL isn't really doing you any good, since all the traffic gets dumped into the RTP300 anyway.

2. If it ain't broke, don't !@#$# with it.

Wink

My articles, instructions, recommendations to spend money on hardware, etc, are based on people who are having problems. If you aren't having problems, then I'd be the last to start messing with a working connection or spending hard-earned bucks on equipment (well, I would, but that's the sign of a geek - I have to break things so I can have the triumph of fixing them and the learning experience that goes with it).

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well, considering it takes me but a few seconds to reconfigure the cables, it's not a problem to "better connect" my stuff. Perhaps my original configuration through my WRT54GL wasn't correct. Anyway, as I said, I'll check it out when I get home. It can't hurt to give it a try at least.

BTW, just to make sure I got it straight--my WRT54GL has 4 ports. Port 1's cable goes into the RTP300's "Internet" port. My powerline bridge (it's a Netgear ethernet powerline thingie--basically my "computer" that is hard-wired, and not wireless, to the Internet) would go into port 2 of my WRT54GL, etc. Sound good? Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Never mind. I rewired it, Nate, and all seems well. Thanks as always. Very Happy

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