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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:34 pm    Post subject: Need Help Configuring RTP300 as Bridge Reply with quote Back to top

Need Help Configuring RTP300 as Bridge...I think

NICE Forum, BTW. Cool Tools & all ...

Anyways, Greetings !

I need help configuring my home network. My partner is running a Home Business and my computer is the "less critical" one. Because of this, I don't want to mess with what is already set-up, working and generating money. Smile

It goes like this:

SBCGlobal > 2-Wire ADSL Modem > Speedstream 2604 Router > [(Splits 3 ways) 1. Office Computer 2. Office (Network) Printer 3. My Computer.]

I've spliced my LAN with Vonage's RTP300 and am able to connect to the Internet. However my P2P Apps are now "firewalled" and I can't find the configuration settings in the RTP300 to open the ports.

I've already written all the firewall rules I need to the 2-Wire ADSL modem, so I don't need the RTP300 to do anything but "pass through" the connection to my computer. I think this is called a "Bridge".

WHen I first set-up the system, I spent days trying to get the 2-Wire to function as a Bridge, and gave up and let it do all the routing, etc... The Speedstream is configured as a "Switch". All the connections (including the DSL output from the 2-Wire) are connected to the Speedstreams LAN ports. (The WAN is left open.)

It has been functioning perfectly for several months, and I do not want to mess with it. My current configuration (with the RTP300 incorporated) is paritally working, so it seems like a small bit of tweaking should make it fully functional.

Could someone please help ?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The RTP300 cannot handle the load of P2P. Dump that idea right now or you are in for some really tough times.

If I were you, since you have a perfectly working router, just toss a cheap switch, and hook your computer and the RTP300 as peers, and just make the RTP300 a Vonage device only.

You can also get wild and crazy and turn the RTP300 into its own switch and have it feed itself Internet from the switch to the WAN port.



But I would really, really discourage that setup. It worked for me when I tested it, but it's a complete hack, and Unpredictable Results May Occur.

Get a $20-25 switch, and just add the LAN ports you need.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 4:32 pm    Post subject: Thanks ! Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for the fast response, NateHoy !

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If I were you, since you have a perfectly working router, just toss a cheap switch, and hook your computer and the RTP300 as peers, and just make the RTP300 a Vonage device only.


My skills configuring networks are very limited, and my partner already has problems with me messing with the network as it is, given history.

I'm willing to try your suggestion, if it is the only way, but my priority right now isn't P2P, it's maintaining the functionality of the entire network. ANd I am "trial using" Vonage right now, so purchasing a switch isn't really an option, given that I may return the RTP300 at the end of the trial period.

As I mentioned, the Speedstream 2604 is already configured as a "switch" (at least that what they told me when they told me how to set it up). As I understand it, the 2-Wire ADSL modem is also the router.

Please tell me more about why the RTP can't "handle" P2P? I've been asking questions about this device's comparative merits on a thread on DSLReports, as I had considered keeping the RTP300 even if I did not sign up with Vonage. But no one there has an opinion. Yours is the first that indicates that the RTP may be somewhat sub-standard. But even if it is, how does that compare to what I have already ? What makes it less than ideal ?

Also, if you could please help me configure it they way I am asking, I would be most appreciative. If it fails, then it fails, and I will start looking for ways to configure the system that are less ideal.

I say "ideal" because my computer is already far away from the ADSL modem & the Speedstream. I'd like to keep the phone (and the RTP) as close as possible to my computer workstation.

Thanks again & thanks in advance,

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The entire Linksys line is plagued with a problem (that is shared with a number of consumer routers, by the way).

Idle, but not disconnected, connections (which P2P makes LOTS of) are kept as "Active" in the Linksys stock settings for five days. The Linksys connections table is generally limted to about 2,000 connections.

Once you hit 2,000 ACTIVE connections, the router gets confused. It can't delete any connections, because they are all active. But it can't store any new connections, because the table is full. So, it refuses to open any new connections, and things sorta go downhill from there, fast.

If you are talking about a temporary lashup to just test Vonage out.

1. Log into the RTP300 and set its built-in "Local DHCP server" to DISABLE and apply the setting.

2. Unplug the RTP300 (power and all cables)

3. Run a patch cable from your existing router to a LAN port in the RTP300.

4. Run a patch cable from another LAN port in the RTP300 to the WAN/Internet port in the RTP300.

5. Power up the RTP300, wait for the phone light to light up.

6. Plug your computer into one of the two remaining LAN ports on the RTP300. Now, your computer and the RTP300 are both on the same subnet, and your computer is not using the RTP300 to get to the Internet.

This is a temporary lash-up only. I do this occasionally when I need another LAN port and can't afford to have two networks.

I don't recommend leaving this in this config for a long time, though, as you have a potential circular route in the RTP300.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:34 pm    Post subject: Thanks Again ! Reply with quote Back to top

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The entire Linksys line is plagued with a problem (that is shared with a number of consumer routers, by the way).

Idle, but not disconnected, connections (which P2P makes LOTS of) are kept as "Active" in the Linksys stock settings for five days. The Linksys connections table is generally limted to about 2,000 connections.

Once you hit 2,000 ACTIVE connections, the router gets confused. It can't delete any connections, because they are all active. But it can't store any new connections, because the table is full. So, it refuses to open any new connections, and things sorta go downhill from there, fast.


I heard of this, and experienced this myself with a D-Link 614+. My problem (then) was that when eMule starting using Kademlia (I don't really know what it is, but I do know it opens LOTS of connections), owners of these routers started complaining about router crashes. The way I understood it then (about 2 years ago), it was due to the NAT Table being "overloaded". I am assuming that this is the very same happening (perhaps) to me again, with a different piece of equipment.

What I find very odd is that D-Link (at least) was saying that this situation was "new", and they excused their equipment for not working for this reason. Now it's two years later, and not only does a completely different router seem to have the exact same problem, but you are saying that this is not unique to just Lynksys.

Very unfortunate. You'd think there would be some kind of "standard" the average router-user could use to assess the suitability of a particular router before paying for it. Some kind of sticker perhaps, that might say "Approved for P2P Networking by the International File-Sharers Association".

Cool

I'll follow your instructions to the letter, and if it doesn't work I'll be glad to complain about it here. Wink

Thanks again,


Billy

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I was so busy trying to be funny I forgot to ask a question. Given the NAT situation, do you think that the Lynksys would have a problem since (I think) the idea here is to REMOVE those NAT functions from it's role. All my firewall rules are with the (2-Wire) ADsL modem. I assume the NAT functions are there too. (Aren't they the same thing ? Question

Or do all devices like these in a network operate separate NAT tables ? I am wondering if this is a situation where a "chain is only as strong as it's weakest link".

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 11, 2006 11:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Thanks Again ! Reply with quote Back to top

TexasBilly wrote:

I was so busy trying to be funny I forgot to ask a question. Given the NAT situation, do you think that the Lynksys would have a problem since (I think) the idea here is to REMOVE those NAT functions from it's role. All my firewall rules are with the (2-Wire) ADsL modem. I assume the NAT functions are there too. (Aren't they the same thing ? Question

Or do all devices like these in a network operate separate NAT tables ? I am wondering if this is a situation where a "chain is only as strong as it's weakest link".

Thanks again.


If the Linksys/Vonage is doing routing for a P2P computer behind it, it will make the connections, and fail.

However, using the temporary solution I laid out, the RTP300's own switch is feeding the RTP300, and the RTP300 is not doing any routing. So that should be fine.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Another Idea... Reply with quote Back to top

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NateHoy,

Thanks again. Simultaneious with this thread, I also posted a question on my situation on another thread (see link above).

Someone there had the suggestion of installing a second NIC, and then installing the Linksys "behind" the computer. I think I understand the idea, and wanted to check with you. As I understand it, the Interent connection would remain the same as it was before Vonage, and should prevent the NAT problems with P2P. But will the quality of Vonage be impaired?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 8:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

That could work. You're basically turning your computer into a router.

But, if your current router is working, adding a switch or hub would do the same job, with less complexity.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 10:50 pm    Post subject: Thanks again.... Reply with quote Back to top

I'm going to wait on a decision on hardware & configuration until I decide about Vonage. But I really like Vonage. FIrst time I ever bought something from a telemarketer.

Also, it occured to me that if I set-up a second NIC to run Vonage "behind" the computer, the phone goes out when the computer goes off. So that one is out, I think.

Thanks again for your help. This configuration seems pretty functional. I'm running P2P just fine. D/L speeds seem slow, but that could just be the files.

Does this configuration slow the system at all, do you think ?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Don't see why it should.

Good luck. Assuming your network connection can handle it, Vonage is pretty good stuff.

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