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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:38 pm    Post subject: Wireless issue with my WRTP54G Reply with quote Back to top

Firmware: 1.00.60

When I have wireless enabled (mixed) I get speeds of:
Download 2,442,192 bps
Upload 1,924,648 bps
QOS 41%
RTT 15 ms
MaxPause 478 ms

When I have wireless disabled, I get speeds of:
Download 3,449,304 bps
Upload 2,099,544 bps
QOS 64%
RTT 14 ms
MaxPause 214 ms

I am no networking guru and this would be my first router but, is this normal?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It's not all that surprising, frankly.

The WRTP54G is a device that, in my opinion, is being asked to do too many things. I ran one as my main router for a few months, then finally gave up and put a WRT54G V4 (now known as the WRT54GL) in front of it, and the difference in voice quality and network stability was like night and day...

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Roger that - not the answer I was looking for but it was expected. Wink Thank you!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 7:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Not to differ with you guys, but I would like to give my experience with the WRTP54G. Before I signed up with Vonage, I used the WRTP54G as a stand alone router connected to my cable modem for over a month and it performed flawlessly. No wireless drops while using the wireless laptop and no drop in speed with wireless enabled while running line speed test. From day one, I enabled wireless and have had no issues.

I've had Vonage now for about two weeks and all is good. Calls are perfectly clear while surfing the web with either the wired desktop or while using the wireless laptop. Three way calling has been perfectly clear to all parties on the line. I've even used P2P file sharing while talking on the phone and still no issues. So overall, I would have to give the WRTP54G a definite thumbs up.

If you were wondering, my connection with Comcast is 8000/768 and I have tested out at a high of 8240kbps down and 718kbps upload. In the near future I would like to add the Hawking HBB1 Broadband Booster to my network just to keep everything working smoothly.

Johnny5mm, have you tried the router on another channel? Mine was initially set to channel 6 but I changed it to channel 1. Try channel 1 or 11 and see what happens...Good Luck!
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

DarrelG -

Yes, it's true, for a lot of people the WRTP54G will work. The WRTP54G suffers from limitations, but those limitations will not affect many people.

If you have plenty of upstream bandwidth that you never use all of it while on the phone, for example, you don't need QoS. Since the WRTP54G's QoS is ineffective (at least for me), and I only have 256k upstream (measured at about 200k), Vonage uses almost half of my available bandwidth when it is running. I NEED QoS, and the WRTP54G wasn't cutting it for me.

On the other hand, as in Johnny5mm's case, he has over 2mbps upstream. That's a LOT of load for that router. So his problem is the opposite of mine - his feast to my famine. He's got too much bandwidth for the limited processor on the WRTP54G to handle, AND do voice, AND do wireless.

The WRTP54G is a most excellent Vonage device. The voice quality is clear, and it's rock solid. As a router - well - it's a good consumer router. It's actually running the solid and venerable WRT54G Linux-based operating system, which is a good OS, and the hardware is top notch. Unfortunately, there's no way to adjust QoS upstream, rendering QoS nearly useless unless it happens to guess properly at your upstream connection, and there's no way to fix the "5 day connections" bug where it maintains idle connections for 5 days before finally timing them out, which is the bane of many P2P users existence.

Other than those defects, and a comparatively weak processor, it's a top notch comsumer router. Unfortunately, adding Voip to the processing mix really takes away power that could be used elsewhere.

On my setup, when I put the WRTP54G behind a WRT54G, and disabled wireless on the WRTP54G and stopped using it for routing, the WRTP54G showed a marked improvement in voice quality, and I got comments from people that my voice sounded amazingly clear, where before I was getting complaints of breakup (due to lack of QoS) and a "fuzziness" even when I wasn't using my network for anything else.

Having two processors - one for voice and one for routing and wireless - made a HUGE difference for me in quality and stability. My WRT54G (now known as the WRT54GL) has been a welcome addition to my network, and with the aftermarket firmware I'm running I get extras like automated P2P QoS, Static DHCP, Wake-on-LAN, and tons of little extras I can't even count.

As with all things, your mileage can and will vary. If the WRTP54G works for you, then I'm the LAST person to advocate spending $75-100 for a decent router to put in front of it. And, of course, if you do buy a router or "front end device", the Hawking is reportedly very good.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy,

I've been reading this forum now for about 3 months and you've always posted great information...Keep up the great work. I'm glad to hear that your set-up works for you!

Do you think the Hawking HBB1 Broadband Booster would help in "Johnny5mm" case since he has so much upload bandwidth that could be more efficiently prioritized and less stress to the WRTP54G?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 8:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Darrell_G wrote:
NateHoy,

I've been reading this forum now for about 3 months and you've always posted great information...Keep up the great work. I'm glad to hear that your set-up works for you!

Do you think the Hawking HBB1 Broadband Booster would help in "Johnny5mm" case since he has so much upload bandwidth that could be more efficiently prioritized and less stress to the WRTP54G?


Honestly? No.

The reason I say that is that his problem is just simply that too much data is being sent from his LAN to the Internet for the router to handle.

Now, one of the D-Link routers with the "StreamEngine" (if I'm remembering the name right) might be a good option. (disclaimer: I am NOT a fan of the D-Link line. I've had bad experiences with their products in the past. So my view of the device is biased against. Others have reported good luck with the D-Link routers with the StreamEngine chip, I'm taking their word for it, since my rig works and I'm not gonna hork up another $75 to test something out (unless someone wants to send me a test unit - grin)).

But the problem is the router, not the prioritization of packets. There's too much data being sent back and forth for the WRTP54G to handle. Trying to prioritize streaming AFTER it gets through the bottleneck of the WRTP54G is like rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic. Wink

Plus, johnny5mm has no stated complaint about voice quality. His complaint is that the WRTP54G appears to be limiting his bandwidth, not that it isn't prioritizing the packets (with that much bandwidth, in fact, there's little NEED to prioritize packets as long as he isn't using a LOT of upstream applications). Turning off QoS entirely in the WRTP54G may even help his upstream speeds somewhat, and save load on the WRTP54G that's being used to no good purpose.

(apologies to you, Jonhhy, for speaking of you in the third person on your own thread)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I agreee, his original post was related to speed not voice quality. Another thing I would suggest trying is setting the wireless signal to "G" instead of mix and see if that has any affect on his speed. Disclaimer, only if all of his network devices use G and not A or B.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Darrell_G wrote:
I agreee, his original post was related to speed not voice quality. Another thing I would suggest trying is setting the wireless signal to "G" instead of mix and see if that has any affect on his speed. Disclaimer, only if all of his network devices use G and not A or B.


But if he does that, his freeloading neighbors might not be able to connect to his connection anymore! In seriousness, I'd suggest doing some MAC filtering on the wireless address to keep the freeloaders out unless you're into the whole "internet free for everyone" theology.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 1:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

"internet free for everyone" theology

Hey, I'm into that. Just not on MY nickel! Very Happy

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