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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Thankfully, TWC doesn't have fixed limits. On the downside, there upload speeds are pretty stingy. I'd have a hard time staying within their caps, particularly on the upload limits - I drive that pretty hard.


Sorry - from TWC's web site:

6. Special Provisions Regarding HSD Service

(a) Tiers of Service. I acknowledge that the HSD Service is offered on a tiered basis and that each tier has "throughput" limits (i.e., limits on the maximum rate at which I may send and receive data at any time), "consumption" limits (i.e., limits on the amount of data that I may send or receive during the course of a month or over shorter periods) and other similar limits, all as set forth in the price list or the Terms of Use. I agree that TWC or ISP may change the throughput, consumption and other applicable limits of any tier(s) by amending the price list or Terms of Use. [...]


Nowhere in their site could I find the actual LIMITS, I expect they are probably laid out in your Terms of Use.


Hi Nate,

Sorry right back at ya... Wink

They have no defined consumption limits that are published anywhere that I can find, including the Terms & Conditions, and I've never known them to enforce any (other than against people setting up as web servers etc.).

From my local TWC Terms and Conditions:
http://www.twcnc.com/road_runner/info/terms.cfm

They protect themselves with a very general statement of their right to monitor for excessive bandwidth utilization:

(c) Subscriber agrees that Time Warner Cable has the right to take any action Time Warner Cable deems appropriate to protect the Service, its facilities for provision of the Service, or the Equipment, including but not limited to restricting or prohibiting the posting of any material that interferes with Time Warner Cable ability to provide the Service. Subscriber acknowledges and agrees that Time Warner Cable shall have the right to monitor the "bandwidth" utilization (i.e. volume of data transmitted) arising out of the Service provided hereunder at any time and on an on-going basis and to limit excessive use of bandwidth in order to effectuate these provisions and other terms hereof.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

OK, guess they are reserving the right to set limits in the future. My bad. Wink

Odd that they would specifically state in the ToS that they have tiers, and that each tier has a bandwidth cap. But I guess it hasn't been a big enough problem for them... yet.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

That is what Cox used to do... the policy said they had limits but did not specify them. That gave them lattitude to go after people that they thought were abusing the network. About a year ago they published the limits that I refered to but so far I have not seen them strictly enforced (in my case anyway).

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
OK, guess they are reserving the right to set limits in the future. My bad. Wink

Odd that they would specifically state in the ToS that they have tiers, and that each tier has a bandwidth cap. But I guess it hasn't been a big enough problem for them... yet.


It is probably just that, it hasn't been a big enough problem to warrant the tracking - if it was, you could be pretty certain they would be chasing it. There is a disconnect between their ToS and their commercial offer - the only tiers are related to max speed - regular service 5M/384K, premium is 8M/512K and business (don't know what they say for that).
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Does using VoIP use up your monthly download/upload limi Reply with quote Back to top

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///Treating a GB as a simple billion bytes and 90k as a simple 90 thousand bytes, you are looking at approximately 90 minutes of talk time per gigabyte at the highest quality setting (1,000,000,000 bytes / 180,000 bytes per second = 5,555 seconds). Nearly double that time for the 50k setting, and about triple that for the 30k setting....


I thought 90k meant 90k Bits per second - not bytes. Most download caps are in bytes, not bits. If that is correct, then you can multiply by 8 - it'd take 12 hours of voice @ 90 kiloBITs/sec to consume a gigaBYTE.

Given how long it would take to upload a gigabyte of data over a typical home internet connection, I have to believe that VoIP's consumption is measured in bits.

Voip isn't a huge bandwidth hog. It does highlight how narrow the upload pipe is on most connections, though.
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thought 90k meant 90k Bits per second - not bytes. Most download caps are in bytes, not bits. If that is correct, then you can multiply by 8 - it'd take 12 hours of voice @ 90 kiloBITs/sec to consume a gigaBYTE.


D'OH! Very true. I'm used to all things Internet being measured in bits (upload/download speeds, etc). But the question was GigaBYTE, wasn't it. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm seeing ~9-10kbyes/sec when using Vonage, so it'd probably take some time to reach 100GBytes at that rate.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

My Internet provider (Northwest Internet/Douglas County PUD) also has a 100Gb/month limit, which I have never reached. Additional Gb are billed at .40/Gb, or you can purchase blocks of Gb if you regularly exceed the limit. (In other words, they don't just cut off your service when/if you exceed the monthly limit.)

(corrected from Mb to Gb!)

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

100Mb?? Depending on what I'm doing, I'd reach that in about 5 minutes.

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 10:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry, that should have been 100Gb. I'll try to correct the original message. I should have more coffee in the morning before I try to respond to messages. Cool

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