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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You might want to also mention this to your boss, and CC the legal department, or you might find the FCC crawling up your nether regions with a large, cold, and ungreased microsocope...

"The US Federal Communications Commission (FCC) announced yesterday that ISP Madison River Communication has agreed to pay $15,000 and will stop blocking Voip calls. The settlement follows complaints by internet telephone service provider Vonage."

Source: http://www.out-law.com/page-5356

Madison River was a litmus test case, and Voip blocking was declared a major naughty no-no by the Federal Communications Commission.

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1773832,00.asp

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1773983,00.asp

I'm not a lawyer. I'm not an employee of Vonage. I don't play either on TV. But the legal precedent on blocking Voip, **ESPECIALLY** if you are in a competing business (such as, oh, say, a telephone company) is pretty clearly laid out. The FCC/FTC will take a VERY dim view of anticompetitive practices, and is already taking a dim view of blocking Voip in the first place.

If your boss and sharks get their panties in a bunch and decide to blockade Vonage or any other Voip services, well, it's a free country, and the standard ports for Voip are pretty well documented right on the Vonage home page.

Word to the wise: Just be sure that you have it well documented that you are performing any requested port/service blocks under protest, and get the request in writing and signed by someone with some power in your company. You want to hang on to that request, too. Probably take it home and put it in a VERY safe place, and keep copies at work.

Again, I am not an employee or agent of Vonage or the FCC in any way. I am not threatening you with legal action, as I have no authority to do so. I am not attempting to give you legal advice, as I lack the training to do so. I'm letting you know that relevant case law exists, freely available on Google for the searching, and making informal, unqualified recommendations on what you might want to do to try and avoid any unpleasantness.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'll keep that in mind if anyone decides they want to start blocking Voip calls. Like I said, that's not our intent. We just want to know if certain users (namely those without telephone service) have switched to a service such as Vonage.

Does that sound like invasion of privacey? Yeah, maybe a little bit.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

And if anyone is using a different email service than yours on your network, maybe they should have to pay an "Email Excise Tax" per email to you guys too? Eek

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 2:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

navydavy2001 wrote:
And if anyone is using a different email service than yours on your network, maybe they should have to pay an "Email Excise Tax" per email to you guys too? Eek


That's a good plan! More $$$ for us.

Acctually the US Postal Service has toyed with the idea of charging per email message. I can't see it ever happening, but they've considered it.

Charter Communications only allows you to use their SMTP server for mail when you are on their network... it really pisses me off because I have to change my SMTP server on my laptop whenever I visit my parents, then change it back when I go back to my house because i don't have Charter there.
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kriswd40 wrote:
Acctually the US Postal Service has toyed with the idea of charging per email message. I can't see it ever happening, but they've considered it.


Actually, they haven't, but it's a fun "urban myth" that gets spread around from time to time. Wink

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Charter Communications only allows you to use their SMTP server for mail when you are on their network... it really pisses me off because I have to change my SMTP server on my laptop whenever I visit my parents, then change it back when I go back to my house because i don't have Charter there.


If you have your own SMTP server, or as in my case an SMTP server that is associated with a Web account, you can simply use a nonstandard SMTP port to get around this. I have several ports available on my Web Provider account, and I never use ISP-provided SMTP accounts, or POP3 accounts for that matter.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2006 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

kriswd40 wrote:
I'll keep that in mind if anyone decides they want to start blocking Voip calls. Like I said, that's not our intent. We just want to know if certain users (namely those without telephone service) have switched to a service such as Vonage.

Does that sound like invasion of privacey? Yeah, maybe a little bit.



It wouldn't matter, when they stop their phone service and start their phone service with Vonage either they or Vonage are responsible for paying the taxes on the line, not you, which by the way would be on a part of the switch not even under your contol, if its even on the same switch.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2006 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: How to tell if people on our network are using Vonage? Reply with quote Back to top

kriswd40 wrote:
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If this is so basic, post me an answer. As I understand, it's just typical IP traffic going over our network so that probably won't look any differant than someone browsing the web or playing a game... but there must be a central server (or servers) that all these phones all must connect through (or periodically check in with), I would think we could monitor our traffic and see what customers are going to these particular servers/ip addresses. No idea what these addresses are, any one else know? Know of a better way?


I think the basic key is that you are looking in the wrong place. Wink

I don't think anyone here is going to help you cripple Vonage. It's like going to a web site on cars and asking if there is a way to remotely break someone's car. You'll likely receive a cool response, if any.


I understand where you're coming from, and while I am only looking to determine IF a customer is using Vonage, definatly the same information could be used to block them from using it. I'm seriously not looking to do that, but obviously a few of you here think I am.


Dude, I work for a major LD/Wireless Company, so I know that you are stepping on major ethical lava my friend. Asking this information is as good as violating the Federal Privacy Act. I find it highly unlikely that an IT tech has been brought in to get to the root of a major issue like this that encompasses your whole company's billing system and how it deals with government tariffs.

Furthermore, any company that has people operating this way should fire them. Nothing personal, but the procedures for solving your company's problems do not lie with you.
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