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PostPosted: Fri Feb 10, 2006 11:32 pm    Post subject: WRT54G + 2 RT31P2s = big 'ole mess :( Reply with quote Back to top

I've been at the office for 12 hours straight today trying to fix our network, and I'm just completely at a loss. I've pored over every thread here I can find, experimented with every suggestion at least once, and still no dice.


==============================
THE BACKGROUND: Phone quality has been excellent, computers could connect to the internet just fine, so last week I decided to get a networked printer and NAS for the office to help improve productivity a little bit more.

Which led to...


THE PROBLEM: I can't get our printer or NAS to be assigned an IP address so the computers can access them.
==============================


==============================
THE EQUIPMENT:
1 Motorola SB4101 Surfboard Cable Modem
1 Linksys WRT54G Wireless Router
2 Linksys RT31P2 Phone Router things (for 3 phone lines)
1 PC running WinXP Pro
1 PC running WinXP Home
1 HP Laserjet 1320n networked printer
1 Synology ds101g networked storage
==============================


==============================
THE CONFIGS:

WRT54G - The WRT54G is set to pull its IP from the modem, local IP set to 192.168.1.1, DHCP is enabled, and in "Advanced Routing" it's set as a Gateway. Remote admin is enabled on Port 8080.

Primary RT31P2 - The main RT31P2 currently has a static IP in the WRT's subnet (192.168.1.2), IP address of the WRT is set as the default gateway, and DHCP and NAT are both disabled. Remote admin is enabled on Port 8081.

Secondary RT31P2 - The secondary RT31P2 currently has a static IP in the WRT's subnet (192.168.13), IP address of the WRT is set as the default gateway, and DHCP and NAT are both disabled. Remote admin is enabled on Port 8082.
==============================


==============================
THE TESTING:
I've tried having both RT3's pull IP's from the WRT's DHCP server; it worked fine, but the problem still remained. I also enabled RIP on both RT3's...again, no real changes to networking but no success on the printer issue either.

I figured I needed some static routing and tried that based on one thread, but nothing there either.

The WRT hands out addresses fine to the two computers, so they connect fine to the internet and I can also pull up the admin interfaces to all 3 blueboxes. I just can't figure out how to get the WRT to talk to devices connected on the RT3s.
==============================


==============================
THE TOPOLOGY:
please forgive the ASCII art...

Code:
Motorola SB4101 Surfboard Cable Modem
||
||=> WAN/Internet Port, WRT54G (192.168.1.1)
     ||
     ||=> LAN 4 – PC w/ WinXP Home (auto)
     ||
     ||=> LAN 3 – PC w/ WinXP Pro (auto)
     ||
     ||
     ||
     ||=> LAN 2 – WAN/Internet Port, RT31P2 (192.168.1.2)
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> LAN 3 - empty
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> LAN 2 – Synology ds101g (auto)
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> LAN 1 – HP Laserjet 1320n (auto)
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> Phone 2 – primary Vonage fax
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> Phone 1 – primary Vonage phone
     ||
     ||
     ||
     ||=> LAN 1 – WAN/Internet Port, RT31P2 (192.168.1.3)
            ||
            ||=> LAN 3 - empty
            ||
            ||=> LAN 2 – empty
            ||
            ||=> LAN 1 – empty
            ||
            ||=> Phone 2 – empty
            ||
            ||=> Phone 1 – secondary phone

==============================


It's a little shy of midnight so I'm finally giving up for the day Confused Anyone have any suggestions? (please)

[edit: shrunk the horizontal topology size, didn't realize ASCII would make such a mess Smile]
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Wow, great post, awesome detail. You've thought of doing most of the stuff I'd do, but I have one thought. On your WRT, I had a problem once, and it was caused by not enough Ip addresses being available to hand out. It's on the first page. I had one less than I needed. I know that's probably not it, but sometimes real hard problems turn out to have real stupid solutions. I'm sure you'll get lots of responses.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 12:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LBA: As navydavy2001 stated, this is truly an excellent post.

I wish that every post were this detailed.

I am certain that some of our expert networking members will have solutions for you very shortly.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks to you both. After spending as much time on it as I had, I wanted to make sure I was as thorough as possible Smile

===========

navydavy2001: double-checked the addresses, they're in good shape. The WRT is only doling out 2, but I've got it set for up to 50. Thanks for the suggestion though!

===========

I suspect setting the RT3s back to pulling dynamic IPs, and then running 2 more cables from the WRT to the RT3s' LAN ports (so there'd be 2 cables connecting each RT3 to the WRT, 4 cables in all) would solve the problem...but that's just a profound waste of ethernet cables and ports.

My gut tells me there's something I can do on the static routing end that would solve this problem, but my networking skills only go so far. I don't know which router should be programmed with what route to where.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 11, 2006 7:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The only problem with using static routes is that a lot of software only searches within it's subnet.

What you could do would be to put your NAS on one router, printer on the other, set static IPs and put them in the DMZ. You would want the PCs outside of their networks to connect to the IP of the router they are attached to.

Using the below topology your PCs would be able to connect to your NAS by using IP 192.168.1.3 and your printer by using IP 192.168.1.2.

The only downside is that your PCs will be using broadcast packets to find the devices so they will not show up in the winxp network screen. If you try to manually access they by IP address it should work.

Code:
Motorola SB4101 Surfboard Cable Modem
||
||=> WAN/Internet Port, WRT54G (192.168.1.1)
     ||
     ||=> LAN 4 – PC w/ WinXP Home (auto)
     ||
     ||=> LAN 3 – PC w/ WinXP Pro (auto)
     ||
     ||
     ||
     ||=> LAN 2 – WAN/Internet Port, RT31P2 (192.168.1.2)
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> LAN 3 - empty
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> LAN 2 – empty
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> LAN 1 – HP Laserjet 1320n (192.168.15.2) (DMZ)
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> Phone 2 – primary Vonage fax
     ||     ||
     ||     ||=> Phone 1 – primary Vonage phone
     ||
     ||
     ||
     ||=> LAN 1 – WAN/Internet Port, RT31P2 (192.168.1.3)
            ||
            ||=> LAN 3 - empty
            ||
            ||=> LAN 2 – empty
            ||
            ||=> LAN 1 – Synology ds101g (192.168.15.2) (DMZ)
            ||
            ||=> Phone 2 – empty
            ||
            ||=> Phone 1 – secondary phone


If you wanted to do it with static routes, you would tell your WRT54G to go to use 192.168.1.2 as a gateway for network 192.168.15.0 (assuming that is what the network is) with subnet mask 255.255.255.0. Then you would use the actual IPs of the devices.

For the DMZ and static route solutions you will want to enable NAT again.

The third way to do it would be to set your RT31P2s to act as bridges, but I'm not sure Linksys routers do that well.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2006 1:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I can tell you what it is doing. But I can't tell you why it is doing it.

But I can tell you a solution.

What it is doing: When you are running the RT31P2(s) as a static device, through the WAN port, you are just supplying the phone with access to the network. For some reason the device doesn't actually attach the LAN ports to the network. You may already know this because you can't log into the RT31P2(s) directly - you need to use Remote Management.

If you wanted to use the LAN ports on the RT31P2(s) for other devices, you actually have to wire one of the LAN ports to a LAN port off the primary router (WRT54G) (much like you would with adding a switch. Then you can use the other 3 ports for other devices.

HOWEVER, you will experience a lot of issues with this including network slowdown and dropouts (loopback problem?).

The solution to your problem lies in a switch.

Code:
Motorola SB4101 Surfboard Cable Modem
||
||=> WAN/Internet Port, WRT54G (192.168.1.1)
     ||
     ||=> LAN 4 – PC w/ WinXP Home (auto)
     ||
     ||=> LAN 3 – PC w/ WinXP Pro (auto)
     ||
     ||=> LAN 2 – empty
     ||
     ||=> LAN 1 – LAN 5, 5 Port 10/100 Switch
            ||
            ||=> LAN 5 - LAN 1, WRT54G (192.168.1.1)
            ||
            ||=> LAN 4 - HP Laserjet 1320n (auto) 
            ||
            ||=> LAN 3 - Synology ds101g (auto)
            ||
            ||=> LAN 2 – WAN/Internet Port, RT31P2 (192.168.1.2)
            ||     ||
            ||     ||=> LAN 3 - empty
            ||     ||
            ||     ||=> LAN 2 – empty
            ||     ||
            ||     ||=> LAN 1 – empty
            ||     ||
            ||     ||=> Phone 2 – primary Vonage fax
            ||     ||
            ||     ||=> Phone 1 – primary Vonage phone
            ||
            ||=> LAN 1 – WAN/Internet Port, RT31P2 (192.168.1.3)
                   ||
                   ||=> LAN 3 - empty
                   ||
                   ||=> LAN 2 – empty
                   ||
                   ||=> LAN 1 – empty
                   ||
                   ||=> Phone 2 – empty
                   ||
                   ||=> Phone 1 – secondary phone


And there you have it. I just did the same with a 16 port (lots o' devices) and things are great now.

Oh yeah, and feel free to move any of those devices around. You can always put the RT31P2(s) directly on the WRT54G and put the XP machines on the switch. GOOD LUCK!
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