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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:23 am    Post subject: wireless adapter behind a single port wireless bridge Reply with quote Back to top

The configuration I have is follows

cable modem <<hard wired from wan port>> to internet port of wireless router <<wireless link>> wireless bridge <<hard wired from lan port>> to lan port of wireless Vonage adapter

In this configuration, I'm not using the internet port on the Vonage adapter. I'm able to access internet in this situation, but no phone. Any ideas? The Vonage tech said adapter needs internet port to work.

I only have one router with DHCP server enabled. All else is disabled, including Vonage wireless adapter's dhcp. Does it matter if I disabled vonage's DHCP? I figured two DHCP servers would conflict on the same subnet.

As I was going to work today, I think the key is to put a router after the bridge, and then connect the internt port of adapter to lan port of the router.., I think that'd work. so my configuration would be

cable modem <<hard wired from wan port>> to internet port of
wireless router <<wireless link>> wireless bridge <<hard wired from lan port>> to lan port of router << hard wired from lan port>> to internet port of Vonage wireless router.

Or is it even possible to hook up Vonage adapter directly into a wireless bridge with one port? I have no option but this, unless I stick a router in the middle? Has anyone tried this?

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: wireless adapter behind a single port wireless bridge Reply with quote Back to top

You CAN run a plug from the LAN of the Vonage router to the Internet port on the Vonage router. The phone actually does work. However, you obviously want to be SURE to turn off the DHCP server on the Vonage router, and you don't want to use its wireless network if it has one.

I ran in this configuration for a few days just to test things out, and it worked. However, due to some routing issues that developed, I was unable to access the Config pages on the router after a day or so, and I'm not sure if a Vonage rep could get in to do any work or do firmware upgrades. The phone continued to work, however.

This is not a configuration I recommend. IMHO you are better off just using the Vonage router as a phone adapter, and not getting into circular network wiring. However, it does work. Mostly. Your mileage may vary, and I can't be held responsible if something lets the smoke out. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:27 pm    Post subject: Re: wireless adapter behind a single port wireless bridge Reply with quote Back to top

I appreciate the response, however I believe your confusing my setup.

Simply put, I'm trying to hook up the WRTP54G (Wireless Vonage Router) to a HWBA54G (Wireless Bridge with one lan port). I have Vonage lan port plugged into the bridge. With DHCP disabled on the Vonage router; I'm allowing only one DHCP server on subnet.

This config lets me access internet, but my phone light does not illuminate. No idea why.

When I called Vonage, they said I have to use the internet port on the voange router to get the phone to work. So i'm like okay. I tried hook the Vonage internet port to my bridge, then I got no internet or phone.

I believe our method will work if I plugged the Vonage internet port into an additional router, and then plug that router's internet port into the bridge. Basically adding a router to my current config.

what you think?

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You CAN run a plug from the LAN of the Vonage router to the Internet port on the Vonage router. The phone actually does work. However, you obviously want to be SURE to turn off the DHCP server on the Vonage router, and you don't want to use its wireless network if it has one.

I ran in this configuration for a few days just to test things out, and it worked. However, due to some routing issues that developed, I was unable to access the Config pages on the router after a day or so, and I'm not sure if a Vonage rep could get in to do any work or do firmware upgrades. The phone continued to work, however.

This is not a configuration I recommend. IMHO you are better off just using the Vonage router as a phone adapter, and not getting into circular network wiring. However, it does work. Mostly. Your mileage may vary, and I can't be held responsible if something lets the smoke out. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 12:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

You have to connect the wireless bridge's ethernet port to the internet port (the blue one) of the Vonage device. The phone part only will communicate though the internet port, it does not communicate through the local network side (yellow ethernet ports or wireless).
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

This is exactly what the Vonage guy said. I tried this, but maybe I'm missing some setting on my Vonage router or the bridge, but its not working.

when I tried it this way, I'd get no internet at all. I had the DHCP server turned OFF on the Vonage router. You think I have to have the DHCP server turned ON for the Vonage router in order for Vonage phone port to see internet?

trekologer wrote:
You have to connect the wireless bridge's ethernet port to the internet port (the blue one) of the Vonage device. The phone part only will communicate though the internet port, it does not communicate through the local network side (yellow ethernet ports or wireless).

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 8:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

jamn424 wrote:
This is exactly what the Vonage guy said. I tried this, but maybe I'm missing some setting on my Vonage router or the bridge, but its not working.

when I tried it this way, I'd get no internet at all. I had the DHCP server turned OFF on the Vonage router. You think I have to have the DHCP server turned ON for the Vonage router in order for Vonage phone port to see internet?

trekologer wrote:
You have to connect the wireless bridge's ethernet port to the internet port (the blue one) of the Vonage device. The phone part only will communicate though the internet port, it does not communicate through the local network side (yellow ethernet ports or wireless).


I think you misunderstood what NateHoy told you. If the setup is working with the wireless point plugged into the Vonage adapter Lan port, then you should be able to get phone service by running an ethernet cable from another adapter LAN port to the WAN port on the adapter. (Yes, I know it sounds weird.) Turn off DHCP in the adapter.

However, as Nate and Trekologer point out, that's not the normal or most desireable setup. Normally you would plug the wireless point into the WAN port on the adapter. Since that doesn't seem to work, check and make sure that the adapter is set up to receive an IP automatically and that your router is set up as a DHCP server.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 10:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm not entirely clear as to why you feel the need to plug the wireless gateway into a LAN port on the Vonage router. If you want one single network, then your best bet is to plug the wireless gateway into a SWITCH, then plug the Vonage router and any other local devices into that switch.

So, let me diagram what I think your network looks like today, then we can work out what you are trying to accomplish and how.



In this scenario, all computers on your network are on the same LAN. "Laptop 1" and "PC 1" can talk to each other and "PC 2". HOWEVER, the Vonage router, which requires Internet access on its WAN port, can't talk to Vonage. There's no Internet access on the Vonage WAN port.

You could just plug the wireless gateway into the Vonage router's WAN port and you'd be done. The computers connected to the Vonage router would deal with double NAT, but they have a clear route to the Internet and can talk to each other, like this:



In this scenario, the Vonage router's WAN port now has a path to the Internet. ALL computers on your network ALSO have paths to the Internet. However, since they are on different networks, your computers in LAN1 will be unable to speak to computers in LAN2 and vice versa.

If you MUST have all of your computers connected to either router talking to each other, assuming you have computers on both routers, then you have to attach a switch to your wireless gateway and plug all of your computers AND the Vonage router into that switch, like this:



This gives you one unified LAN, and your Vonage router is just another device on that LAN.

An alternative that will save you the cost of a switch, though a CLUMSY one, is to use the switch on the Vonage router instead of buying a separate one. You do this by plugging the cable from your wireless gateway into LAN1 on the Vonage router, running a cable from LAN2 on the Vonage router to WAN on the Vonage router, and then LAN3 and LAN4 on the Vonage router are available for other devices. I don't recommend this configuration, but if you don't want to buy a switch, then it does work as long as you are careful in your configuration.

Please let me know where I may have misunderstood what you are trying to do, and we'll go from there.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

wow, are you a teacher or something? That was an awesome explanation.

However, I got one question, in the configuration that you said connect the wireless gateway directly to Vonage wan. This brings about two independent LANs, but all with internet access. On the contrary, this setup would not allow my computers on LAN2 to access internet somehow. Even when I had DHCP enabled on the Vonage adapter.

nevertheless, If I want the computers networked, I need another switch. If not, I have to connect Vonage wan port to wireless gateway. But this setup, even my internet doesnt work. Maybe I'm missing something. I understand you setup completely, and I think it'll work with an additional switch in the middle, but why doesnt it work when I plug the Vonage wan to wireless gateway lan.?

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

jamn424 wrote:

However, I got one question, in the configuration that you said connect the wireless gateway directly to Vonage wan. This brings about two independent LANs, but all with internet access. On the contrary, this setup would not allow my computers on LAN2 to access internet somehow. Even when I had DHCP enabled on the Vonage adapter.


Hmm. Here's what SHOULD happen:

1. PC makes request to Vonage router.
2. Vonage router NAT makes request to main router, keeps track of computer making request.
3. Main router makes request to Internet server, keeps track of computer (Vonage Router in this case) making request.
4. Internet server responds with data.
5. Main router receives data, and based on its memory of the original request, forwards data to Vonage router.
6. Vonage router receives data, and based on its memory of the original request, forwards data to PC.
7. PC receives data from Vonage router.

Life is good.

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nevertheless, If I want the computers networked, I need another switch. If not, I have to connect Vonage wan port to wireless gateway. But this setup, even my internet doesnt work. Maybe I'm missing something. I understand you setup completely, and I think it'll work with an additional switch in the middle, but why doesnt it work when I plug the Vonage wan to wireless gateway lan.?


I don't know. I can only tell you that it SHOULD. The only thing I can think of is that for some reason either the DHCP service is not working properly over the wireless gateway, or your main router has some sort of port forwarding preventing the data from reaching the Vonage router. But why a PC would work when connected to one of the LAN ports on the Vonage router along with the Gateway is a mystery.

Does the wireless gateway have an IP address? Can you hook a PC directly to it, and does it work that way? Does it require any special configuration or login parameters to connect to it using that PC?

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Nate- question. Is it possible with this configuration to eliminate the wireless gateway and use the wireless capability of the WRT54G to establish the connection?

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