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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 12:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

LOL he is 133t Pr0

and on the rtp 300 it isnt FXS, its actually TX/RX digital gain and TX/RX analog gain.

Lol
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ColdGin wrote:
LOL he is 133t Pr0

and on the rtp 300 it isnt FXS, its actually TX/RX digital gain and TX/RX analog gain.

Lol


Yup, I can just imagine his posts on a more technical site...

D00D! I just t0tally h4xx0red my r0uter! I'm phr33k1ng 0ut! I'm p3wning the T0S for V0n@g3, and t#3y c@n t0tally p3wn my acc0unt, but L33T H@XXORZ RULZ!!!!

(translation: Dude! I just totally hacked my router! I'm freaking out! I'm violating the Terms of Service for Vonage, and they can shut down my account for it, but elite hackers rule!")

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Adjusting volume within TOS: Phone call.

Adjusting volume outside of TOS: Surf hacking sites for hours on end, finding the "secret squirrel" passwords. Get into the box knowing anything you screw up will cost you your account, and you run the risk of frying the gear.

Losing service because you wanted to adjust the volume yourself: Priceless.

The hacker version of Voip is free. To keep everything simple, there's Vonage. Vonage, it's everywhere you want to call. Smile


(of course, for the record, I'd love to see a "volume slider" on the RTP300/WRTP54G. They ARE too loud, and mine seems to get reset at each firmware upgrade. But I'd rather keep my Vonage account and be able to save money, and make the occasional call to talk to Venkatesh "Call me Adam" and his friends to get the volume adjusted).

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ColdGin wrote:
LOL he is 133t Pr0

and on the rtp 300 it isnt FXS, its actually TX/RX digital gain and TX/RX analog gain.

Lol


ColdGin - When you get someone calling saying "Waaah, I f'd up my TA 'cuz I hacked in and I have no f'in idea what any of these settings do, please help me!", just hang up.

NateHoy wrote:

(of course, for the record, I'd love to see a "volume slider" on the RTP300/WRTP54G. They ARE too loud, and mine seems to get reset at each firmware upgrade. But I'd rather keep my Vonage account and be able to save money, and make the occasional call to talk to Venkatesh "Call me Adam" and his friends to get the volume adjusted).


Can't agree with you more. Only one of my phones has it's own volume adjustment so I need it set properly on my TA. I can't see any harm in allowing the user to adjust the volume themselves.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Because then someone would explode their "$300 dollar business class phone" (You know, the ones with the crummy audio) and then they'd want us to pay for it.

Occasionally someone does call in, and I find out they unlocked their adapter, or are trying to use some other non-approved piece of gear, or they want to have firmware links because they unlocked their router, jacked it all up, and so they need the image file of genuine firmware now.

I love it when they tell me "I'm a network admin" or "I'm Cisco certified" once, I even had a clueless man once tell me he was "Cisco Voip engineer" I said why are you calling me? You should be teaching me stuff.


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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Some of the adapters have settings to change current & voltage... both of these, if set improperly, can fry telephones, fax machines, etc. Also, with telephony, audio isn't as simple as people are used to. Too much current can cause distortion, but so can too high of an audio level. Which one is to blame? How would people who have difficulty connecting up a Vonage router handle having options like this to play with?

I personally would LOVE to have the ability to change all of the settings on the Vonage adapter, but I went with Vonage for the most reliable Voip out there. I run an Asterisk PBX so I can muck around with whatever settings I wish. So, I get the best of both worlds this way.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ColdGin wrote:
Because then someone would explode their "$300 dollar business class phone" (You know, the ones with the crummy audio) and then they'd want us to pay for it.


I'm not talking about direct access to the field.

Since I have yet to hear ANYONE complain that it's too QUIET - grin), allow a couple of settings as radio buttons "LOW" "MEDIUM" "HIGH" ("HIGH" being the current setting, "MEDIUM" being about 3/4 of the current setting, and "LOW" being 1/2 the current setting).

A rep can still set the "baseline" or "do not exceed" volume, but the user can lower the volume at their discretion.

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PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 8:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

ColdGin,

Actually, he isn't breaking the TOS at all. The TOS is very general and lacks anything specific. Inact there is NOTHING in the TOS at all that says you can't use another SIP device, just than you agree that Vonage can terminate your account if they want.

Moreover, if he does provision his adapter himself and changes the settings by himself, that's his right. And as long as what he does doesn't hurt vonage's SIP servers, employees, bank account, or other customers, I see no reason why his account should be terminated. And even if Vonage did discover that he provisions his adapter himself, they should leave him alone. He's not breaking the TOS because he's using his own PAP2 adapter. And although Vonage prohibit's "tampering" of the adapter, that's very broad. If he tampered with the adapter yet does not hurt Vonage at all or use his service in a way that he's not paying for, then Vonage should be glad he's still a paying customer.

After all he has lots of options if Vonage chooses to cancel his account. His adapter is his, and he can unlock it and use it with another provider.

From what he seems to me, he is a paying customer that likes to have more control over devices he purchases. I see nothing wrong with that. He's honestly paying for his service, and if he wants to be responsible for provisioning the adapter himself then he should be able too, as long as he is not causing harm to Vonage. And provisioning his adapter himself isn't causing harm to Vonage to breaking the very general, very broad TOS.

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ColdGin,

Actually, he isn't breaking the TOS at all. The TOS is very general and lacks anything specific. Inact there is NOTHING in the TOS at all that says you can't use another SIP device, just than you agree that Vonage can terminate your account if they want.

Moreover, if he does provision his adapter himself and changes the settings by himself, that's his right. And as long as what he does doesn't hurt vonage's SIP servers, employees, bank account, or other customers, I see no reason why his account should be terminated. And even if Vonage did discover that he provisions his adapter himself, they should leave him alone. He's not breaking the TOS because he's using his own PAP2 adapter. And although Vonage prohibit's "tampering" of the adapter, that's very broad. If he tampered with the adapter yet does not hurt Vonage at all or use his service in a way that he's not paying for, then Vonage should be glad he's still a paying customer.

After all he has lots of options if Vonage chooses to cancel his account. His adapter is his, and he can unlock it and use it with another provider.

From what he seems to me, he is a paying customer that likes to have more control over devices he purchases. I see nothing wrong with that. He's honestly paying for his service, and if he wants to be responsible for provisioning the adapter himself then he should be able too, as long as he is not causing harm to Vonage. And provisioning his adapter himself isn't causing harm to Vonage to breaking the very general, very broad TOS.

Ken


Um, yeah, very broad...right. Do you think that areas protected on each device by a password is just for fun? Or to prevent access from unauthorized sources? Breaking into, circumventing, folding, spindling, or otherwise maiming a password-protected area is against the TOS, and you know it. Just because there is a broad term used in the TOS doesn't mean common sense should tell you, "Hmm, that's password protected, maybe I should stay out of there."

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