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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 12:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Oh yeah, bells and whistles and eyecandy. *rollseyes*

Microsoft is promising the same things with Windows Vista, to which they're jacking the OS system requirements to [paraphrased], "512 MB of RAM, a 'modern' processor, and a WDDM graphics card". Realists who have watched MS's methods of madness (as well as the rest of the software publishers insanity) are expecting a real world demand for 1 GB of RAM, an Athon64 3200/ an Intel Pentium 4 3200 and a newish video card of 128MB of VRAM and the latest DirectX compatibility to run Vista without performance issues and with all the bling. IE7 is likely to be released close to or at the same time with Vista next year.

I keep IE around to view stubborn (Microsoft internet Serviced) webpages, but if you think I'm dumping Firefox or loading a new greater resource draining version of IE on my computer, you're nuts.

I keep looking at the Vista promises and the likely problems it's going to have, and there's no freaking way you're going to get me to buy that thing. I'll reformat and run a flavor of Linux or buy a new Mac first.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:04 pm    Post subject: "IE7 kills FireFox, Easter Bunny & Santa Claus real Reply with quote Back to top

idiosynch wrote:
I keep IE around to view stubborn (Microsoft internet Serviced) webpages


I assume you know about the "IE tab" extension to FF that allows you to specify a list of those "stubborn" webpages and automatically load them in a FF tab using imbedded IE? No need at all anymore to ever open IE "on its own."

(Dan, I love your topic title - too funny! To quote Mark Twain, "the rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated.") Lol

OH, btw, if for any reason you just don't like FF, tabbed browsing and most all of the rest of the new, highly touted features in IE7 have been available using the IE6 core for well over a year using Maxthon. Nice of them to give Microsoft a clear roadmap to follow, I guess. Of course, just like IE7, Maxthon has all of the security vulnerabilities pointed out earlier by Nate.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 7:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have one problem with both FF and the new IE 7.0 Beta that I did not have with IE 6, and I was wondering if anyone knew how to fix this:

When I send out the (insert shameless plug here) Vonage Daily Digest to the members that receive it via email, both FF and IE 7 timeout (it is a big "send" which takes time for the server to respond) and both send it again, so members get two copies and oh, do I ever catch HELL...

IE6 does not do this.

So I was wondering if I had control over server timeouts with either of the two?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

dconnor wrote:
I have one problem with both FF and the new IE 7.0 Beta that I did not have with IE 6, and I was wondering if anyone knew how to fix this:

When I send out the (insert shameless plug here) Vonage Daily Digest to the members that receive it via email, both FF and IE 7 timeout (it is a big "send" which takes time for the server to respond) and both send it again, so members get two copies and oh, do I ever catch HELL...

IE6 does not do this.

So I was wondering if I had control over server timeouts with either of the two?

Dan,

I'm pretty positive there's a way to fix that within FF, and I *may* be able to give you the answer, but I don't guarantee it. Try this first though.

Open a new tab within FF and type "about:config" into the URL bar and hit return. You'll see a large list of variables that FireFox uses to control its operation. Now here's where I'm guessing a bit. There's one called "network.http.keep-alive.timeout" which may solve your problem. Right click on it, choose "modify" and change the value from the default of 300 to something like 600 or maybe even 900 or 1000 just to make sure. Close FF and restart it and try your digest. If that doesn't fix the problem, head over to the FireFox support forum at:

http://forums.mozillazine.org/viewforum.php?f=38

You'll have to register to post, but post your question there, and I'll almost guarantee that within 60 minutes or less you'll have the answer to your problem and how to configure FF to fix it. I've asked several "techie" questions there, and got answers amazingly quickly each time - its how I found out about the "about:config" variable listing.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

The ability to configure timeouts in Firefox was removed because of a change in how networking was handled. It appears that the ability to configure this is seen as a low priority issue. Fortunately the source for Firefox is available so you should be able to build your own version with a customized timeout. Smile

You could try setting network.http.request.timeout, but I am uncertain that it would have the desired effect.

[Looks like it took me too long to post this response.]

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I actually don't think the keep-alive timeout will work. Keep-alives are more of a network efficiency feature that allow connections to be kept open for multiple requests. However, I am no expert.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I gave it a try. I like the interface but I want them to get the bugs out. I couldn't view a digital television station with 7.0 beta. I also found it difficult to uninstall. I had to use System restore to get my I.E. 6.0 back.

I really don't understand why so many people love Firefox. I tried that as well but it just gave me to many problems.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

hookbill wrote:
I really don't understand why so many people love Firefox. I tried that as well but it just gave me to many problems.


I can only speak for myself in this, but I like Firefox for two reasons:

1. The ability to add extensions has turned Firefox into so much more useful a web browser to me. Image sooming, click-2-call within my web browser, and all the little extras, just make the experience so much more pleasant.

2. Security. No, I am not claiming that Firefox is 100% secure. But Firefox does not use the core system DLL's like IE does. Things like the image vulnerability that came out a few months ago slide right off Firefox because it does not access those system services. Security breaches in Firefox are generally limited to Denial of Service attacks (shutting down Firefox) rather than system compromise attacks ("May allow another person to access / take over your computer and steal data"), simply because Firefox does not have (or want) access to the core system execution modules. Firefox runs using an abstraction layer that makes it a lot harder to drill into the OS.

No, I don't watch digital TV in Firefox. When I want to watch digital TV, I'll start up a digital TV application. When I want to listen to streaming audio, I'll start up a streaming audio application. When I want to browse the Web, I'll start Firefox. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 10:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
I really don't understand why so Things like the image vulnerability that came out a few months ago slide right off Firefox because it does not access those system services. Security breaches in Firefox are generally limited to Denial of Service attacks (shutting down Firefox) rather than system compromise attacks ("May allow another person to access / take over your computer and steal data"), simply because Firefox does not have (or want) access to the core system execution modules. Firefox runs using an abstraction layer that makes it a lot harder to drill into the OS.


Those types of compromises are are generally caused by buffer overflows, which any application can be susceptible to.

I like Firefox because it's open source, has an active user community, it works on Linux (!), and gee it's only ~5MB! If Mozilla can make a browser that does everything IE does, and so much more, why is IE over twice the size???

IE 7 is simply Mickeysoft's way of stealing other's ideas and jamming them in their own product in order to keep up. Not that I'm bitter Wink.

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 11:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I think the above suffers from bad editing. I didn't say any of that. Smile

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