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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:18 pm    Post subject: StreamEngine - Quality - Audio Choppiness Reply with quote Back to top

After much research and numerous calls to customer support I broke down and purchased a new D-link DI-634M wireless router. This purchase was made to replace the Netgear WGT-624. The purpose for this was to eliminate my choppy voice quality that everyone has been telling me about for the last month. The new StreamEngine technology QOS service is built into the router to help in prioritizing upstream flow to the ISP. It is my understanding that the ISP must have QOS functionality for this to be effective. What I have found is that it cleared up my voice quality immediately. I have yet to have anyone complain of choppy voice quality. Granted it only been connected for a couple of days I am pleasantly surprised.

Hawking Technology also has a product with this technology however it just a booster plugged in before the router. For the price I just choose to replace the router.

Has anyone else utilized any of these products?

PS: Had to turn down the Voice quality today because I had to hold the Phone three inches away from my ear because the volume I received was so loud!

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

this is just a mimo router with qos built into the firmware. you may have been able to solve the problem by putting the rtp300 first in line in your network (and the wireless plugged into it) or spent less by going with a linksys wrt54g model which also has qos. glad it works for you though. and it has nothing to do with your isp.

did changing the quality have an effect on the volume? it really shouldn't, at least not to the effect you apparently need. I had my volume turned way down by a Vonage rep who lurks on this site before it was acceptable. (yes there's a setting for it in your rtp)

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Tried all of those things, RTP 300 first. What happened was that when transferring files it made reception even worse. People still complained of voice choppiness. For $69 it was a reasonable fix. The algorithm that Streamengine uses seems to prioritize better then other QOS products.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

interesting. what other qos products have you tried?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 6:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Two this one and the QOS on the RTP 300. But from the research I found people had good luck with this product. Hasn't been out long is my understanding. I has been incorporated in 2 products. Two DI and Hawking.

What others have you seen out there?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: StreamEngine - Quality - Audio Choppiness Reply with quote Back to top

TomT wrote:
The new StreamEngine technology QOS service is built into the router to help in prioritizing upstream flow to the ISP. It is my understanding that the ISP must have QOS functionality for this to be effective.


Well, if you spent $69 on it, you didn't get cheated. So that's fine. IF the QoS is working, then that's great.

I strongly suspect that "StreamEngine" is a marketing term, and that (no offense) your understanding that the ISP must have QoS for it to work is not correct. It IS possible, however, that this model of router is capable of learning the max bandwidth rate directly from your modem rather than guessing at it, and if that's the case, that is very good.

Did you have to enter any guesses as to your "upstream" bandwidth into the router anywhere? If not, and if QoS is working well, then they do have a really good QoS algorithm.

QoS is fairly simple. Your modem has an upstream and a downstream speed limit on it. If you can tell your router what that upstream limit is, your router can "shape" the traffic by delaying or in extreme loads even dropping low priority packets to make room for high priority ones. This guarantees that the important stuff goes through first and fast. Some QoS (like yours, and that on the WRT54G and its aftermarket variants like mine) do very well. Others (like anything I've seen from Vonage) do not.

The biggest influence on working QoS is that your router *MUST* know the upstream data rate. If it doesn't, then it has no clue how to shape the traffic. Get it too low, and your router bottlenecks you more than it has to. Get it too high, and QoS is ineffective because your router is allowing too much low-priority traffic in line and you might as well not have QoS.

The Vonage units do poorly (I think) because they use the standard Linksys algorithm for calculating upstream bandwidth. The "Auto" setting on my Linksys told me that my 256k upload was 1,565k, which means the QoS was useless. By manually tuning the upstream bandwidth using aftermarket firmware on another non-Vonage Linksys router, I was able to get working QoS.

So, if your router succesfully calculated upstream and is working very well, then BRAVO! That unit's a keeper and no mistake! Especially at the price. Even if you had to manually tune it, then it's a fair deal. A comparable Linksys router goes for $70.

PS: You cannot influence the packet rate of data coming back to you without somehow affecting packet priority on the OTHER side of your cable/DSL modem, which ain't gonna happen, so there really isn't an effective "inbound QoS" on a standard consumer grade connection. QoS is outbound only for anything you and I are likely to play with.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

John,
No it has an auto feature that recognizes the upstream rate (Currently is it recognizes 390k) which is better then I have gotten before.. You are correct on downstream it has no impact on this. However audio choppiness is usually impacted by how router handles upstream. Typically we all have significant downstream...the problem is the cable companies are stingy on the upstream which impacts how people hear us as you well know.

Also my MOS score improved from 3.3 to 4.00 on testmyvoip.com

By the way how do I attach a bitmap..I was going to insert the bitmap of the setup page.
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TomT wrote:
John,
No it has an auto feature that recognizes the upstream rate (Currently is it recognizes 390k) which is better then I have gotten before.. You are correct on downstream it has no impact on this. However audio choppiness is usually impacted by how router handles upstream. Typically we all have significant downstream...the problem is the cable companies are stingy on the upstream which impacts how people hear us as you well know.

Also my MOS score improved from 3.3 to 4.00 on testmyvoip.com

By the way how do I attach a bitmap..I was going to insert the bitmap of the setup page.


You can't "attach" one, you'll have to upload it to a web server somewhere, then insert it into your post using the "image" button (). www.photobucket.com offers a limited but useful service for this.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks Here it is.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Thanks Here it is.



I'm both impressed (that a manufacturer would release a router with a manual upstream override in stock firmware) and confused (that the measured upstream appears to be 380k but it has 128k in the uplink speed field).

One thing that seems to be missing is configuration of the traffic itself. For example, I tell my router what machines get highest/lowest priority, and I can optimize certain services to be high or low priority.

Here's what it looks like in the WRT54G (with aftermarket firmware):



(I rescaled it to be a bit smaller, and it messed up the clarity a bit, but the idea is there).

Does the D-Link allow you to actually configure services, like prioritizing MAC addreses or specific ports? Or is it "guessing" what services might be the most important to you.

I'm not criticizing the box, just curious on how it's configuring QoS.

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