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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I was wondering the same thing about picking your priorities.
what do you mean about manual upstream override? in the stock linksys firmware you can set your upload bandwidth manually or choose auto.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Oops. You can tell how long I stuck with the stock firmware. Wink

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In setting up the RTP 300 I attempted to adjust the QOS and was unable to get the necessary adjustments to maintain an stable audio quality. If an algorithm will automatically adjust the necessary bandwidth to accommodate you changing topology requirements with better results why attempt to set a static bandwidth requirement that can't adjust?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 8:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I'm with you. I use auto and it seems to work well.
on another note, there's a thread around here somewhere that basically says the rtp300's qos is broke and basically nonexistant even though there's a screen for it. I haven't tested but it sounds like you have found the same thing.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

TomT wrote:
In setting up the RTP 300 I attempted to adjust the QOS and was unable to get the necessary adjustments to maintain an stable audio quality. If an algorithm will automatically adjust the necessary bandwidth to accommodate you changing topology requirements with better results why attempt to set a static bandwidth requirement that can't adjust?


Very true. IF the algorithm works, there would be no need for an override.

The algorithm does not work. I don't know why, probably because it takes a lot of work to determine upload bandwidth on a continuous basis without the connection being saturated. The modem (or further upstream), not the router, is what places the limitation there, and it's tough to accommodate changing bandwidth because the modem or upstream is the unit throwing away packets when the router thinks there's too much bandwidth. The router doesn't specifically know about these packets being thrown away.

The only way to truly test upstream bandwidth is to have a server "out there" somewhere acknowledging those packets, so a router that wants to do true variable QoS is going to have to have a "partner" with a heckuva lot of bandwidth, and the router would basically have to send low-priority "keepalive" packets to its partner frequently, and when those packets start getting lost, the router can react and lower its overall QoS limit.

Maybe that's what this D-Link is doing - D-Link has put servers out there to handle this "QoS heartbeat" signal. That's going to be costly in the long run, but it would be nice of them.

Linksys does not do this, unfortunately, so you're left with manual adjustment. And the Vonage/Linksys routers lack that adjustment. So QoS is there, but it doesn't know what to do, so it might as well not be there. Turn it off, and free up the memory and processor.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 6:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Here are the specifics that the product lit says that the streamengine will do for you.

The StreamEngine™ feature helps improve your network gaming and audio performance by prioritizing applications.

StreamEngine Setup

Enabled/Disabled
Enable it for better performance and experience with online games and other interactive applications, such as Voip.
Automatic Classification
This option is enabled by default so that your router will automatically determine which programs should have network priority.
Dynamic Fragmentation
This option should be enabled when you have a slow Internet uplink. It helps to reduce the impact that large low priority network packets can have on more urgent ones by breaking the large packets into several smaller packets.
Automatic Uplink Speed
When enabled, this option causes the router to automatically measure the useful uplink bandwidth each time the WAN interface is re-established (after a reboot, for example).
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This is the uplink speed measured when the WAN interface was last re-established. The value may be lower than that reported by your ISP as it does not include all of the network protocol overheads associated with your ISP's network. Typically, this figure will be between 87% and 91% of the stated uplink speed for xDSL connections and around 5 kbps lower for cable network connections.
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If Automatic Uplink Speed is disabled, this options allows you to set the uplink speed manually. Uplink speed is the speed at which data can be transferred from the router to your ISP. This is determined by your ISP. ISPs often specify speed as a downlink/uplink pair; for example, 1.5Mbits/284Kbits. For this example, you would enter "284". Alternatively you can test your uplink speed with a service such as www.dslreports.com. Note however that sites such as DSL Reports, because they do not consider as many network protocol overheads, will generally note speeds slightly lower than the Measured Uplink Speed or the ISP rated speed.
Connection Type
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

reebok wrote:
what do you mean about manual upstream override? in the stock linksys firmware you can set your upload bandwidth manually or choose auto.

This is the WRT54G v2.04.4 firmware QOS page:



Has anyone tried using the settings shown above with the WRT54G and found them to be effective?

The above settings assume:
1. ~384kps measured upload speed
2. The WRT54G WAN port is connected to the cable modem
3. The Vonage router, such as the RTP300, WAN port is connected to the WRT54G LAN Port 1.

If the above settings are not effective, has anyone found a way to make the stock Linksys WRT54G QOS firmware work?

I can confirm that the RTP300 firmware QOS does NOT work with a ~400kbs measured upload speed. My voice sounds choppy to those I call whenever other services at my end are using the upload bandwidth.

As NateHoy can attest, I am too chicken to change my existing configuration with the RTP300 first as seen in my signature unless I am assured it its worth the effort. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 10:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

csnet wrote:

Has anyone tried using the settings shown above with the WRT54G and found them to be effective?

The above settings assume:
1. ~384kps measured upload speed
2. The WRT54G WAN port is connected to the cable modem
3. The Vonage router, such as the RTP300, WAN port is connected to the WRT54G LAN Port 1.

If the above settings are not effective, has anyone found a way to make the stock Linksys WRT54G QOS firmware work?


My understanding is that the Tofu and Thibor HyperWRT builds are based closely on the stock Linksys stuff. I imagine the stock Linksys firmware's QoS probably works pretty well if you use manual upstream (like you have).

If not, you're only a firmware flash away from QoS Nirvana, amigo. Only a firmware flash awaaaaaayyyyyy...

EDIT: You may want to try using MAC address rather than Ethernet port. I've heard, though I can't corroborate, that this works better in the stock firmware.

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NateHoy wrote:
If not, you're only a firmware flash away from QoS Nirvana, amigo. Only a firmware flash awaaaaaayyyyyy..,

NateHoy, what are the advantages you have found flashing 3rd party firmware over using the Linksys provided firmware?

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csnet wrote:
NateHoy wrote:
If not, you're only a firmware flash away from QoS Nirvana, amigo. Only a firmware flash awaaaaaayyyyyy..,

NateHoy, what are the advantages you have found flashing 3rd party firmware over using the Linksys provided firmware?

EDIT: Firmware for the WRT54G


Well, first and foremost for me was P2P/BitTorrent support, which the native Linksys firmware stinks at because it doesn't time out "dead" IP connections for 5 days, and you rapidly fill up the iptable and overload the router with the default stuff. That was why I moved my WRTP54G behind a brand new WRT54G V4, and loaded the aftermarket firmware on the WRT54G immediately.

Other niceties I've found are:

1. Static DHCP - ability to specify, by MAC address, what IP address a device will get every time it connects. No real biggie, but it makes my network consistent.

2. Expanded QoS. Instead of 2 MAC addresses in the stock stuff, I get about 6.

Basically, HyperWRT (you'd use Tofu with a WRT54G) is "stock firmware on steroids". No earth-shattering changes, they DO try to stay close to stock look and feel, but once you go there, it's tough to think about going back.

http://www.polarcloud.com/tofu/

Good reading:

http://www.hyperwrt.org/forum/

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