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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:48 am    Post subject: Need beginner instructions: cat5 home-run w/ vonage Reply with quote Back to top

My new house is wired with home-run cat 5 cabling to each of 3 bedrooms. The wires terminate in the basement with no connectors as of yet. This wiring is brand new and has never been connected to the phone company. There is no exterior NIU from the phone company and in fact the line from the street is simply tied off against the house. I wish to have Vonage run as my sole phone provider for the entire house. Today that is 3 jacks in the bedrooms, but we may add additional Cat 5 lines in the future.

I have read the forums and although I'm sure the info is out there it is not in a form that I comprehend. There are terms thrown about such as punchbox or patchboard or some such similar stuff that I have no idea of the meaning. What I request is some kind and knowledgable soul to give me a step by step explanation of what I have to do to get the Vongage Linksys RTP300 adapter attached to the three Cat5 cables (and maybe more in the future). Assume you're explaining this to someone with NO background in Telephone wiring or teminology whatsoever--since you are!

So, what specific product(s) do I need to purchase and how do I need to configure them and connect them to the Vonage adapter.

Thanks so much, in advance!
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I will give it my best effort to give you some step by step instructions.

However, there is still some uncertainty because you have not told us where the router will be? Will it be placed in the basement next to the wires? Or will it be placed in one of the bedrooms which has a cable connection? Or are you using dsl? These are all questions that are still left unanswered so my answer will not be aboslutely specific.

If I were you, I'd put the router in a room that has a phone jack and access to the internet in the same room. In my case, I have the router in my living room where I have my cable modem and desktop computer. Then I connected the router to my cable modem and connected a phone wire from port 1 of the router to my phone jack in the living room.

In your case, I am assuming that you have 3 dangling cat5 wires in the basement.

If you want to do this right, I would go to home depot or some home fix it store and buy what they call a "bridge." You can also buy a "110 block" or other similar item. What this does is it allows your phone lines to all be connected in a more secure way instead of simply tying them together and putting electrical tape around it. It's more secure and reliable. You can see a picture of a professional punchdown block in this post:
http://www.vonage-forum.com/ftopic10553.html

Yours will be a smaller version will probably about 8 connections possible since you don't need that many jacks in the home.

If you peel off the outer layer of a cat5 cable, you will see 4 pairs of wires with the following colors: Blue Orange Green Brown. The matching pair will be a striped version of the solid color so Solid blue is paired with striped blue, etc.

For a single line phone, you need only the Solid Blue - Striped Blue pair.

What you will do is get a "bridge" or a "110 block" or some other means of connecting these wires securely and match up all the solid blues and all the striped blue wires so that they are all connected. By the way, a phone wire "bridge" is color coded so you know where to connect each wire.

Once you have them "punchdowned" in a bridge or block, just secure it against the wall and you are all set. Plug in a phone in any of the jacks and it should work once your router has a solid light on line 1. You can have a phone in the same room as the router by getting one of those splitters that lets you share a phone line.

I'd be glad to help you walk through this but I need more information before I can give you any more specifics on how I would do it.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Hi DW,

Mundy has started you out with some good advice. Just to make sure that you understand, the basic idea with the cat 5 phone installation is to tie all of the wires with the same color together at the patch point. That is, all the blue wires get connected together, all the blue-white wires get connected together, and so forth. The punch-down block or similar device is simply a neat and professional way to accomplish that.

Once it's done, you can simply plug your Vonage device into a wall jack and your phones into other wall jacks and everything should work. (If you need a phone in the room where you have the Vonage device and theres only one jack there, you'll use a simple Y-splitter plugged into the Vonage device). If things are wired according to standard practice, you'll be using the blue and the blue-white wires when you do that, but you really don't care. It should just work.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Mine may be a bit more complicated, but here's my 110 punchdown block I installed and punched down myself - I got it from Home Depot.



Basically all the cables from the rooms/outside go in first, according to color. As I put them in, I wrote their position on that middle label - it's a paper wedged into a plastic filler for the center of the block. The caps have conductors on both sides - one side goes into the mount to connect the wires that I said go in first and that allows wires for connecting everything to be used on top. The punchdown caps are put on and using a 110 punchdown tool, you "push" the caps down onto the wires. I have real crossconnect wire, but you can take a piece of Cat5, strip the outside insulation, separate each pair and use that for crossconnect. My "office" has the Vonage adapter, so I punch it down to my kitchen, where my cordless base is. After I took this, I have another wireless base in the bedroom that's also now punched inline with the kitchen.

As you see, one crossconnect wire connects to mulitple connection - this is the beauty of a 110 block. Also, to make another connection "live" - i just move the crossconnect wire for that Vonage line and punch it down in the room I want live.

Note the tips are color coded - blue is the center (main line) and in my study, I wired the green for a second line. I have a Local bell line for my Tivo in the family room, the gameroom (where I may need one too) and the GREEN pair for the study (2nd line in that room).

You need a punchdown tool for a 110 block - this has a "blade" that has a "U" cutout. The sides of the U push the wires down into the caps - there two pieces of metal in each slot that slices through the insulation, but not the copper wiring. This makes a connection. Without the punchtool - and by using a screwdriver, you can damage the clips. The U cutout in the 110 punch allows for the conductors in the clip.

Here's a side view of one of the clips.



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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Get yourself one of these:

http://www.leviton-lin.com/catalog/BuildPage.aspx?BuildPageID=573

and these

http://www.leviton-lin.com/catalog/BuildPage.aspx?BuildPageID=1221

install it in the basement and connect all your Cat5 wiring to it. I believe it comes with instructions and tools. If not you need to get a 110 punch down tool. My house came with it, but HomeDepot is supposed to sell Leviton stuff. Otherwise check out www.controlcable.com. I'm sure there are other places as well.

Then take a look at this PDF for how to connect Voip and Ethernet up to it.

http://www.leviton-lin.com/support/featuredtips/0705techtip.pdf

This is the most modern way of wiring for Voip and Ethernet if you have Cat5.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

If your going to be adding more lines in there future, here's a link you might want to look at:
http://www.swhowto.com/

Talks about not just having phone, but data and cable running to each room.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 11:47 am    Post subject: I think I have similar problems Reply with quote Back to top

I also have a brand new house, no phone box outside..i have a network box in the basement. about 8 cat5s, none labeled of course. all the jacks inside are working. do i also have to do this bridge, punchdown block thingy?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: I think I have similar problems Reply with quote Back to top

bonafice wrote:
I also have a brand new house, no phone box outside..i have a network box in the basement. about 8 cat5s, none labeled of course. all the jacks inside are working. do i also have to do this bridge, punchdown block thingy?

thanks


When you say "all the jacks inside are working", is that inside the network box? That would be a patch panel then and is ready to hook up your switch and Voip to your wall jacks in the house. Maybe you can show us a picture of how your network box looks like inside.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2006 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: I think I have similar problems Reply with quote Back to top

When you say "all the jacks inside are working", is that inside the network box? That would be a patch panel then and is ready to hook up your switch and Voip to your wall jacks in the house. Maybe you can show us a picture of how your network box looks like inside.[/quote]

sorry, i shouldve explained. just had high speed cable installed so i hooked up the router to one of the phone jacks in the house, and was able to use the phone. except 1problem, dialing out sometimes is an issue. it might take up to 4-5 times trying before the call goes through. different numbers, different times, etc... here is the sequence exactly:pick up phone, dial tone is present. dial the number, fast busy. hang up, pick up, dial tone present. dial the number again, fast busy...again, might take 4-5 times for the call to go through...that happens maybe 2-3times a day, or it might not happen for a couple days....

all the cat5s in the network box are hooked up. no dangling of any kind. i will take a pic of that network box when i get home tonight...
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 27, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

sounds to me like it's a problem between your phone and your router. I had a similar problem with a cheap phone that had a soft tone. So I switched it with an equally cheap phone that had a loud tone when the buttons were pressed and it has worked perfectly since then. My older phone was a hit or miss. Very similar to your explanation. See if you have another phone or borrow a neighbors and try it.

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