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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:12 am    Post subject: Maximum number of lines? Reply with quote Back to top

Say if I want 6 lines to my house (I have 3 teenagers), do I have to buy 3 Vonage adapters?


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:57 am    Post subject: Re: Maximum number of lines? Reply with quote Back to top

maha wrote:
Say if I want 6 lines to my house (I have 3 teenagers), do I have to buy 3 Vonage adapters?
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If you want 6 independent telephone lines, yes, you do. If you want the kids each have their own phone number, but not necessarily independent telephone lines, then you could use virtual numbers.

If you want 6 lines, be SURE your internet connection can handle that load. That's a LOT of bandwidth if all six lines are being used at once, even using the bandwidth saver feature.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I currently have 4 lines now with my local phone company. The kids (and my wife) is always using the phone and I can't even get on... So I need 5-6 lines.

I don't mind buying 3 Vonage adapters, now you mention the bandwidth issue... should I be concerned? Say if all 6 lines are being used at the same time. What's going to happen to my Internet connection? Will do drop to dial-up speeds?



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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

First, run the speed test on the forum here (look to the left, under "Vonage Information", run the "VoIP Speed Test"). That will attempt to estimate the number of lines you need.

Keep in mind, with bandwidth saver set to its tightest setting, you need at least 30kbps per line, up and down, to have anything resembling a decent call. At default settings, you need 90kbps.

So, 6 lines means you need, at absolute minimum, 180kbps up and down.

Personally, I have an advertised 256 up and 3000 down. But my real-world testing shows closer to 200 up and 2600 down. That means I could *probably* support 6 lines set to 30kbps, but the rest of my network (upload, at least) would be running at near-dialup speeds. And I wouldn't expect crystal-clear audio on the other end. 30kbps will be cell phoen quality, or therabouts, and you may have interference between the various lines if you're approaching your maximum bandwidth. And if someone starts a large upload with most of your lines active, you're screwed.

Run the speed test I mentioned, and the tests at www.testyourvoip.com and post the results. If you have huge amounts of bandwidth, then you're probably OK.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for your reply, this is very helpful information!

My result is a 3.3? I'm not sure what that means?

I like the Vonage prices and the convenience, but I don't want to surf the web at dial-up speeds either... So the worst case is when all the kids are on the phone (say with their friends) and on the Internet at the same time, but then we're all screwed?

We're using Comcast as our ISP.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 2:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

3.3 is an indication of what you'd get for voice quality on a single line, and a 3.3 ain't all that pretty.

The speed test on this site should read off three things of significance:

1. Upload speed
2. Download speed
3. Estimated number of Vonage lines you can support.



For the testyourvoip.com data, go to "detailed results" and post the whole shootin' match of data, starting with the "MOS Analysis from YOU to..." and ending below the "signaling quality" stuff. Don't worry that the pretty graphics don't make it, we're all good at wading through that mess of data. What we're looking for is latency numbers, packet discards, etc.

3.3 is a barely adequate number for one Vonage line. Though, to be fair, I only got a 3.4 in a test I just ran, and the numbers do seem a bit low today (but I'm also running a lot of other stuff like BitTorrent and the test calls don't give my router's QoS enough time to respond properly).

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Here's what I got, I'm not sure how to interpret this:

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3.3 / 5.0
(Best with G.711 is 4.4)


Degradation Sources
Codec 0.58 34.3%
Latency 0.00 0.0%
Packet Discards 1.10 65.7%
Packet Loss 0.00 0.0%
Codec G.711 (PCM at 64kbps,
20ms RTP payload,
80kbps IP BW)
Round-Trip
Latency 182 ms
Packet Discards 3.9%
Packet Loss 0.0%
Loss Periods
Min: 20 ms
Avg: 20 ms
Max: 60 ms
Random Loss
Jitter
Min: 0 ms
Avg: 12 ms
Max: 82 ms
Signaling Quality
Post-Dial Delay 125 ms
Call Setup Time 141 ms
Media Delay 281 ms




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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Not all the details made it, but the packet discards number is mildly worrying. That's probably most of your problem with the line quality. ~4% of packets being dropped is not particularly bad with one call, but the test calls are done at ~64kbps, and if you ramp up too many lines, you may have problems with that.

On the upside, your loss periods are very low, meaning that you can lose the 4% of packets without significant impact to voice quality. Loss periods indicate how the loss is spread out. If they are long, that means you are losing ALL packets for periods of time, rather than a steady, consistent 4% loss which just lowers voice quality very slightly.

One Vonage line would give you good service, I think. But I need to know more before I can give you a guess on multiple ones...

What kind of router do you have today?
What is your connection, cable or DSL?
What is the advertised speed of your connection?
What did the Vonage-Forum speed test tell you?

5-6 lines will be on the bleeding edge of capacity of most home Cable/DSL connections. Of course, given the cost difference between Vonage and your average land line, you may find it worthwhile to get both Cable AND DSL, and put a couple of lines on each,or have one connection for Vonage and one for everything else. Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

That was all the results from the test?

We have Comcast.net. It suppose to be 4MB or something like that.

Here's what I got from the Vonage-forum speed test:

Download 3,086,664 bps
Upload 384,240 bps

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2006 4:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

maha wrote:
That was all the results from the test?

We have Comcast.net. It suppose to be 4MB or something like that.

Here's what I got from the Vonage-forum speed test:

Download 3,086,664 bps
Upload 384,240 bps


Detailed descriptions of all of the results are on the testyouvoip.com page. Basically, latency, packet loss, and speeds are the important bits.

The forum speed test is giving you some decent numbers. If you leave your 6 Vonage lines at 90kbps each, you'll use up 540kpbs plus overhead, up and down, so already we know you can't have all of your lines at the best quality and expect results.

Assuming you crank them down to 50kbps, you'd be using about 300kpbs for Vonage, leaving you with 84kpbs to handle overhead and the rest of your web. If you can get a router with really good QoS and set the Vonage devices to HIGHEST and the rest of your network devices to LOW, you should get decent results. You may even be able to crank some or all of them down to the minimal 30kpbs and do very well.

No guarantees, mind you. Running 6 lines on a 384K upload connection is really pushing your luck, in my opinion. The numbers say it should work, though.

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