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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

It sounds like the bottom line here is that what he's seeing is normal, and nothing can be done to improve it. Is that the way you see it?

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Steve48 wrote:
It sounds like the bottom line here is that what he's seeing is normal, and nothing can be done to improve it. Is that the way you see it?


Unfortunately...

Unless he gets an FTP client that can throttle its own download (send acknowledgments at a rate that gives him an approximate download rate he needs), or set up a script on his firewall that "reserves" enough dedicated download bandwidth (again, based on lowering the bandwidth on all the other clients so their packets come in slowly and therefore their acknowledgments go out slowly)

But, in this case, it's going to mean that his FTP will *always* be slow, whether he's using his Voip line or not. It's *throttling*, not *prioirity*, which he needs. Unless he gets fancy and somehow detects that the Vonage line is off-hook, then sends a signal to his FTP client to slow down to a given download speed, then detect on-hook and let 'er rip. And that's FAR beyond anything I could do. Wink

And even that's going to be ineffective at throttling a lot of technologies, like streaming media or Voip, which use UDP packets which generally do not require a packet-by-packet acknowledgment of data receipt. You can only throttle data like that by asking the server to send fewer packets (like setting "Bandwidth Saver" on Vonage, for example).

The only way to do it is to somehow have your ISP implement QoS on the data they make to you, and then you have to somehow tell them which packets are the most important to you. The routers at your ISP are technically capable of this, of course, but you don't have a way of telling those routers which packets you want first, and your ISP is HIGHLY unlikely to give you that capability.

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:07 pm    Post subject: Thanks to both of you Reply with quote Back to top

NateHoy wrote:
Steve48 wrote:
It sounds like the bottom line here is that what he's seeing is normal, and nothing can be done to improve it. Is that the way you see it?


Unfortunately...

Unless he gets an FTP client that can throttle its own download (send acknowledgments at a rate that gives him an approximate download rate he needs), or set up a script on his firewall that "reserves" enough dedicated download bandwidth (again, based on lowering the bandwidth on all the other clients so their packets come in slowly and therefore their acknowledgments go out slowly)

But, in this case, it's going to mean that his FTP will *always* be slow, whether he's using his Voip line or not. It's *throttling*, not *prioirity*, which he needs. Unless he gets fancy and somehow detects that the Vonage line is off-hook, then sends a signal to his FTP client to slow down to a given download speed, then detect on-hook and let 'er rip. And that's FAR beyond anything I could do. Wink

And even that's going to be ineffective at throttling a lot of technologies, like streaming media or Voip, which use UDP packets which generally do not require a packet-by-packet acknowledgment of data receipt. You can only throttle data like that by asking the server to send fewer packets (like setting "Bandwidth Saver" on Vonage, for example).

The only way to do it is to somehow have your ISP implement QoS on the data they make to you, and then you have to somehow tell them which packets are the most important to you. The routers at your ISP are technically capable of this, of course, but you don't have a way of telling those routers which packets you want first, and your ISP is HIGHLY unlikely to give you that capability.


I appreciate the detailed explanations, even if I can't solve my problem in any ideal way.

Fortunately, I'm not using ftp that often. I can indeed throttle it all the way down to 45 k and stop the line noise. But this renders the ftp program practically useless. The alternative is just to dl anything I need at night and have the program turn off the computer when it's finished.

Thanks again guys for the very clear explanations.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:14 pm    Post subject: Problem solved, mostly. Reply with quote Back to top

For those who offered a lot of help on this, esp Steve.

Vonage sent me a RTP300 as they determined my Motorolla adapter was bad. It solved the line noise problem when viewing regular web pages.

Thanks for your help.

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