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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

csnet wrote:
Instead of using the wireless WRT54G as a router, it is used as a combination switch + access point. Here's how: A standard (not reversing) CAT5 cable connects one of the LAN ports of the RTP300 to one of the LAN ports of the WRT54G.

Just to confirm, you did not have to use a crossover cable? Hmmm, maybe that's been my problem all along.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

That's right, just a regular cable, the kind you would use to connect a computer to a router.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 30, 2005 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

blakadher wrote:
csnet wrote:
Instead of using the wireless WRT54G as a router, it is used as a combination switch + access point. Here's how: A standard (not reversing) CAT5 cable connects one of the LAN ports of the RTP300 to one of the LAN ports of the WRT54G.

Just to confirm, you did not have to use a crossover cable? Hmmm, maybe that's been my problem all along.


The LAN ports on the WRT54G support "auto-crossover", in other words they will detect when you need a crossover and switch the signal around all by themselves. Cable type doesn't matter, the WRT54G will figure it out for you.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 10:47 am    Post subject: Switch yes, phone no Reply with quote Back to top

Thanks for these tips. I daisy-chained everything together and have great internet/network access from the computer now attached to the RTP300. However, the phone light is off. When I connected the RTP300 directly to the cable modem, it worked. But I'd prefer to keep the WRT54G as my main router.

Does this sound like a firewall issue? Any suggestions?

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Cable modem ----> WRT54G router ------> RTP300 router
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As far as I know, for the phone to work, there must be a connection to the WAN port of the RTP300, that's why I have it first, then connect with WRT54G 2nd, LAN port to LAN port.

If you want the RTP300 2nd, so you can set up QOS that actually works, or make it easier to take the RTP300 with you, then I believe you will have to go back to the original LAN on 1st router to WAN on 2nd router setup that you had, that by default keeps the PC resources on one router hidden from the others on the other router.

I started to look at routing tables for that configuration but stopped when I realized that the RTP 300 1st with WRT54G as a switch would meet my needs for now.

I searched the forum here but did not find a configuration with LAN to WAN that mentioned that all PCs on either router could see each other's resources in such a configuration.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Switch yes, phone no Reply with quote Back to top

FCreek wrote:
Thanks for these tips. I daisy-chained everything together and have great internet/network access from the computer now attached to the RTP300. However, the phone light is off. When I connected the RTP300 directly to the cable modem, it worked. But I'd prefer to keep the WRT54G as my main router.

Does this sound like a firewall issue? Any suggestions?

Config:

Cable modem ----> WRT54G router ------> RTP300 router


Yes, ideally what you want is the following (just replacing WRTP54G with your RTP300)



Then, if you need more PC's, you'd want to connect them with a simple hub or switch connected to the WRT54G.

The RTP300, ideally, should be set up ONLY as a Vonage device if you have a better router. In other words, it should be set up exactly like your old adapter was. I wouldn't use it to hook up any clients.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

For phone to work run one more standard cable from LAN port of RTP300 to WAN port of RTP300.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 1:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bg4 wrote:
For phone to work run one more standard cable from LAN port of RTP300 to WAN port of RTP300.

Bob, is that when using the 2nd router as a switch?

Is this an example of what you are describing?

cable modem --->WAN (WRT54G) LAN ---> LAN (RTP300) LAN --> WAN (same RTP300)

...with these RTP300 default overrides:
DHCP server: Disable
Firewall/NAT: Disable
Router IP: static, same subnet as WRT54G, outside WRT54G DHCP assignment range

Is this the "holy grail", e.g. LAN ports on both routers are peers on the same gateway so exposed PC resources are seen by PCs plugged into either router AND RTP300 is the 2nd router so real QOS can be set up on the WRT54G with 3rd party firmware?

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

bg4 wrote:
For phone to work run one more standard cable from LAN port of RTP300 to WAN port of RTP300.


That's a unique way to bridge LAN and WAN. I've seen it posted here and there, and I have no idea whether it would work - I'd love to see results.

I have to imagine there would be some sort of network loop, even with NAT and DHCP turned off on the router. There's no way I know of to remove the internal bridge between LAN and WAN so adding a second connection to reverse the flow just seems... well... I dunno...

Hmmmm... I can't help but think of the Ouroboros, the snake that eats its own tail, when I think of this configuration.



Maybe when I'm feeling seriously frisky I'll try this one out.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I have mistakenly left the WAN to LAN cable unplugged and had no phone so I surmise that it is required in the bridge configuration mode.

in this confiuration



Config:

Cable modem ----> WRT54G router ------> RTP300 router

cept I use a Netgear WGT624 (dont get one - they stink) with RTP300 secondary.

You have no choice as phone apparently relies on there being a WAN connection-unless you do not want phone.

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