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I have a questions as to what your end result wants to look like.

Normally, you set up a subnet to isolate parts of your network from each other. A long time ago, before switches became so popular and hubs existed, it made sense to try to minimize ethernet collisions. Anyway, reading between the lines, it seems like you really want 1 "big" network and some phones plugged in. So, why not configure it to all one subnet and disable the NAT translation. You could have the first router after your incoming internet connection do the NAT for everybody, and also act as the DHCP server. Basically, you end up configuring the phone adapter into a switch instead of a router. Some advantages is that things such as old NetBios shares become easily viewable even without going to the NetBios over TCP/IP method. (but perhaps all your OS's are new enough to not care). I have not tried this myself and not sure if the adapter/routers you got shipped will actually work this, but some older equipment used be able to cable the WAN out of the phone adapter/router back into itself on one of its LAN ports. You'd then connect LAN port of that to the LAN port of the top level router... thus really using the "switch" portion of the router to switch the traffic between the 3 or 4 LAN ports (1 of which is receiving the phone traffic only from its own WAN port). From the basic setup screen, you want likely want to hard assign each phone adapter an IP address in the same subnet as the top level router ... perhaps 192.168.15.2, 192.168.15.3, 192.168.15.4, etc. assuming your top router is 192.168.15.1 in a subnet of 255.255.255.0. Turn off DHCP in all the subsequent 2nd level phone adapter/routers, and under advanced settings, turn off the NAT translation. You only want the NAT for the 1 top level router going out of your enterprise to the internet, and it should also be the one assigning out DHCP addresses ... and it could be in a range above the low static addresses you are using for the phone adapters ... maybe hosts 129 to 191 or something like that gives you plenty of addresses for small networks.

If on the other hand, you really want to provide some isolation from each other via using so many different subnets, you could split the top level router and define subnet such as 255.255.255.240. Thus the low by is hex 'F0' or 16 addresses (minus reserved overhead) allowing 14 host addresses spun off from each subsequent low level router adapter. So, a child router might have an address of 192.168.15.1, 192.168.15.17, 192.168.15.33, etc. and they could in turn split their logical 4 bits (16 addresses) into a static address and DHCP address range. (or like you had started to do using other bit combination of the subnet mask) However, with subnets and these routers doing NAT and address transaltion, you also may have to open up ports in each router's firewall to allow the netbios indentification, ping, and other traffic in through the 2nd level routers firewall wan to its own sub lan. Are you going to allow Telnet, FTP, etc into boxes on each subnet? Or are you designing the subnets/built in firewall to keep people from doing that? Do you want to isolate some parts such that only certain computers are able to share globally ... i.e. perhaps by putting your servers up as a peers on the top level router, and thus individual workstations can 'net use' to the top (and also the servers can't easily net use back down to the workstations), and the workstations can't share or net use to workstations attached to other 2nd level phone adapter routers. (they could still easily share and net use within their own little subnet, but blocked from going "up and back down" if that mental picture makes any sense.)

Maybe I've confused the issue more than helping.



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Setting up Multiple voip Routers on 1 Network


We are in the process of switching our 5 phone lines over to Vonage (waiting for
Here is a little more information about our setup: Cable Modem feeds 1 of our
The one thing I can tell you is you need to configure the 1st router about the routes
Thanks for the advice. I would really like to be able to do this on the routers so
- Destination LAN IP: . . . Networ address of each router (192.168.2.0) Subnet
I appreciate you taking the time to help. I tried using all the phone adapters/routers
When you tired to use it like a switch, did you cable the WAN port back into itself
No, I hadn't thought of that. I assume that I would use a straight cable from router
Much of the equipment I have seen lately seems to autodetect and swap the signal

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