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Hi All,

I've spent a (really) long time trying to find a way to both get VPN access to our network from the outside, as well as keep the abitlity to have QoS. I've finally solved this, and I wanted to post it here, so it may help someone else in the same situation. This is solved with a Draytek Vigor2900 Router, which is an incredibly high-end router at $160 with router-features of a $600 router (www.guideband.com).

Basically, in order to get VPN, the VPN capable router normally has to be the gateway to the internet. If you put it on the LAN (behind the Vonage/Linksys router), you have to deal with VPN Passthrough, which is incredibly buggy in the RT31P2 for example. But even with a router that's supposed to do it right, VPN Passthrough is just screwy, and basically only works to allow a *single* user to *dial out* from within the LAN.

But moreover, even if your VPN Passthrough works, and this might be a surprise, most VPN routers don't work as a LAN device (behind another router), because the VPN features aren't accessible from the LAN-side of the VPN router, but only the WAN side. So if you hook it up to your LAN using its WAN port, you might be able to dial-in, but there's no network on the other side of it. And if you hook up the VPN router's LAN side to your LAN as well (so it's both hooked up on the LAN and WAN ports to the *same* network), you'll likely get a data-loop that'll ultimately take down your network, as many packets will be re-broadcast back into the same network. So that's not going to work either. The D-Link DI-804HV is the only not-ultra-high-end router I could find that allowed VPN access from the LAN side, but I could never get it to work.

Now, of course, Voip gets really messed if there's no Quality of Service (QoS) control, because things like internet-surfing hog the bandwidth, chopping up phone-calls. But in order for QoS to work, the VoIP-capable router must be controlling the internet connection. If the Voip router is just hooked up somewhere on the network, it's just a computer like anyone else.

So you have to have a router that has *BOTH* VPN and QoS, but they're extremely hard to come by. I almost took the plunge to buy a $600 router, because that seemed to be the level you had to get to to get both. But then I took another look at the Draytek Vigor2900, which I had initially dismissed because they didn't call quality-of-service QoS, but bandwidth-management instead.

Draytek is a Taiwanese company, and their routers are both really well done, as well as cheap. LinkSys is owned by Cisco, so they can never begin to compete with the higher-end products (even though they could easily offer the same features). But Draytek don't have the same limitations.

This Draytek Vigor2900 router is just incredible. Everything was solved within minutes of installing. But moreover, both the VPN and QoS implementations are really good. VPN allows every type of connection, both from a dynamic IP and static IP (many don't), and even has a special DHCP table for dial-in connection. But it also has dial-out for every protocol including PPTP (most Linksys/D-Link routers only offer IPSec connections for automatic connections, but I find IPSec way too hard to configure).

The QoS side allows a complex rule-set for which port-ranges/applications should get higher priority, and which maximum share of bandwidth when the pressure is on. I personally use QoS to control bandwidth on both Voip, as well as VPN connections, to give remote hookups to our 3Com NBX V-3000 phone system the highest priority.

In addition, this router has everything you're used to, but better. This is just some of the best money I've spent in a long time.

The company is at

www.draytek.com

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Best,

Per



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Hi, this is Per again, By the way, some of the Vigor2900 routers also have built-in
Thanks for your post Per! You really put in the effort on this one! I have almost
I'm really glad! Per
I was looking at the spec sheet for the vigor2900, and I can't tell how it does its
The Vigor 2900's bandwidth management is rule-based. So if you create one rule
Sounds great. Any idea where to get a G model in the US?
I got my 2900G from DSL-Warehouse. $191. http://www.dsl-warehouse.com/product_info.php?cPath=29&
Still haven't actually received it yet. But it's on the way. :-D
Per, Just curious. Many times when I make a call, I notice that when I finally

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