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Again, what was supplied by the phone companies to the government were the two phone numbers and the length of the call. If you call that "anonymized", you aren't using the term the way the rest of us do. A phone number is most certainly personally identifiable information.

In case you want to know a name given a phone number, just go here:

http://www.anywho.com/rl.html

Or let me just ask you: what do you think the word means?

OK, we agree that the phone numbers were included. I am not arguing that the program is against that act - IANAL - and I have no idea what law this program might have been against. The point is that it's wrong to call the data set "anonymized" just because the names weren't attached when the data was turned over.

I can't find the precise text of the Telecom Act, but here's for example how the Spy Act (designed to keep spyware on your computer from finding out who you are) defines it:

(Full bill here: http://icreport.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c109:4:./temp/~c109RaKPXH:: relevant section here: http://icreport.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:4:./temp/~c109RaKPXH:e28588: )



This is what most people would mean when they say that data was "personally identifyable". As you say. the program would be pretty useless if the data didn't allow the NSA to identify someone they thought was suspicious.

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Yes, that public DB doesn't contain unlisted numbers (or cell phones). However, you can rest assured that the NSA knows the full list of numbers. Even local police departments have that.



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Did Vonage give NSA our phone records?


Happy Vonage customer here. Did Vonage hand over my phone records to the NSA
You should check out today's Forum Digest in which we learn Vonage will not give
Why is it a scandal? and who would you go to anyway?
Been wondering if this was going to pop up here. Glad to see the answer in the
Good for Vonage for taking a stand on this matter. There is a right way and a wrong
Kudos to Vonage for not releasing this information. Keep in mind that some
Who gives a crap, anyway. If NSA wants to listen to my wife talk to her mother 800,000
Godwin's Law in 8 posts. That's got to be some kind of Vonage-Forum.com record.
Because the next step is to arrest you for calling someone "they" don't like or
If you're not doing anything illegal, why worry? Something to hide? :-D

enodo posted "Again, what was supplied by the phone companies to the government were the two" on 05/16/2006

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